Another Convert Into What Is The 2nd Amendment.

[fightingquaker13]

Ok, I may have crossed a line with that, and if I did I apologize. I did not intend to get personal. I just don't understand how someone who is intelligent, and knows how to spot a threat (from being here as long as FQ has) fails to see the OWS crowd as such a threat. These people ARE dangerous and prone to violence. Sure you try to single out one or two and say that they don't represent the group. But look at who is behind the group, funneling money in, and giving them instructions.

I would put money on it, that you could pull aside anyone who is rallying these protesters and you would find that they are ACORN, or union, or any of the other scumbag organizations that have said they support it. Most of these protesters are nothing more than useful idiots trying to feel important. (Or just looking for cover to cause problems) Look hard at the leadership. It is a very frightening list.

And what would the Democrats (or just us non Republicans) say JC?  Could it be that the Tea Party is funded by the corporations who are shipping our jobs overseas, stopping a crackdown on illegal immigration, getting government bailouts, and paying millions a year for the best Congress money can buy? They would say that the corporations and GOP regulars are laughing their asses off at these reformers who can be bought off with a fig leaf appointment of a Sarah Palin to what we all knew was a losing Presidential ticket. Meanwhile, the usual suspects, who would welcome real reform about as much as a case of the clap, continue in power in the Senate and in Congress. They'd say the Tea Party are the useful idiots, being bartered between the theocrats of the religious right, and the secular  party regulars on K street. And the idea of reform? Well, only a commie talks about change right? But hey, I'll give you a free Gadsden flag bumper sticker. It'll go nicely with your Boehner and McConnell Bobblehead dolls. If you order now, you will even get a free Rommney/Gingrich 2012 T shirt (made in China).
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

And what would the Democrats (or just us non Republicans) say JC?  Could it be that the Tea Party is funded by the corporations who are shipping our jobs overseas, stopping a crackdown on illegal immigration, getting government bailouts, and paying millions a year for the best Congress money can buy? They would say that the corporations and GOP regulars are laughing their asses off at these reformers who can be bought off with a fig leaf appointment of a Sarah Palin to what we all knew was a losing Presidential ticket. Meanwhile, the usual suspects, who would welcome real reform about as much as a case of the clap, continue in power in the Senate and in Congress. They'd say the Tea Party are the useful idiots, being bartered between the theocrats of the religious right, and the secular  party regulars on K street. And the idea of reform? Well, only a commie talks about change right? But hey, I'll give you a free Gadsden flag bumper sticker. It'll go nicely with your Boehner and McConnell Bobblehead dolls. If you order now, you will even get a free Rommney/Gingrich 2012 T shirt (made in China).
FQ13

That one sentence shows you don't know squat about the Tea Party.
For starters, if you had a clue what you were talking about you would be aware that the Rep. leadership hates the Tea Party, and the Tea Party members aren't exactly happy with the Republican leadership.
Which kills the idea of your Boner bobblehead.

[fightingquaker13]

That one sentence shows you don't know squat about the Tea Party.
For starters, if you had a clue what you were talking about you would be aware that the Rep. leadership hates the Tea Party, and the Tea Party members aren't exactly happy with the Republican leadership.
Which kills the idea of your Boner bobblehead.

BS Tom. The GOP is cashing in on the Tea Party left, right and center and you know it. Show me a GOP official who doesn't publically love them. Show me a Tea Party rally where even a formerHouse Speaker like Gingrich isn't there to claim "beltway outsider" status . The Tea party is being told that DC = Democrats and therefore they should vote GOP and things will be better. Well, thats half true. You and I both know they are being sold a bill of goods by the usual suspects who are using them and sayin "Sure we'll respect you in the morning". In fairness, Bachman and Cain are the only real outsiders in the race. Guess what? The GOP is not all hugs and puppies about either. Granted they have baggage, but if the Tea Party weren't being played, Newt, Santorum, and Romney wouldn't even be in the race. It would be Cain, Bachman and Paul.
FQ13

[twyacht]

Show me a GOP official who doesn't publically love them

Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Carl Rove, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, I can do this for awhile,....

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-20/politics/29998872_1_debt-ceiling-tax-increases-party-insiders

http://www.theuptake.org/2010/09/27/rift-pits-tea-party-against-republican-moderates/

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2010/09/moderate-republicans-mount-fight-against-tea-party/22983/

The Middle Strikes Back

aka RINO's....

I can keep going....But the establishment Republicans are against the Tea Party...They are just as bad as Dems.....and we haven't weeded them out yet...



God, you guys drift posts......

[fightingquaker13]

Show me a GOP official who doesn't publically love them

Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Carl Rove, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, I can do this for awhile,....

You forgot Charlie Crist. Lets try a few non-blue dogs in waiting. Like I don't know, Boehner, or (re-elect me because of pork) McConnell, or Brownback, or.. the list goes on. Guys who have been in DC too long and will pretend to be reformers to stay there longer. You know I speak the truth TW.
FQ13 Who can't resist posting this, I'd apologize to the Republicans out there, but we all know I'd be lying.

[Sponsor]

[twyacht]

Your right FQ, just don't contradict yourself. The establishment GOP is just as opportunistic as the Left. But the Tea Party, minority that was a reality slap in the Nov. 2010 mid terms shows the chameleon ability embedded in the GOP, that, like McRomney and others, will change stripes for political gain and power even if they oppose the Tea Party...

the old addage "Vote The Bums Out",...applies to members of both parties.

[fightingquaker13]

Your right FQ, just don't contradict yourself. The establishment GOP is just as opportunistic as the Left. But the Tea Party, minority that was a reality slap in the Nov. 2010 mid terms shows the chameleon ability embedded in the GOP, that, like McRomney and others, will change stripes for political gain and power even if they oppose the Tea Party...

the old addage "Vote The Bums Out",...applies to members of both parties.

Here's my point TW. If the Tea Party, or OWS were serious they'd cross party lines. If the Tea Party endorsed some Blue Dogs like Testor or Crist, or if OWS endorsed Snowe? Then both parties would listen to them. If you ain't got that swing, you ain't got a thing, well, its Holy Writ in politics. The GOP ignores blacks, the Dems ignore Born Agains, and they both love latinos. Why, because the latinos swing both ways. If the Tea Party was smart, they'd endorse a few conservative Dems (or third party candidates, though that's risky), just to get the undivided attention of the GOP leadership who might start taking them seriously in terms of power, not rhetoric.
FQ13

[twyacht]

If the GOP ignores blacks, as you posted, why on earth did George W. Bush, appoint more "blacks" to real positions like cabinet level, than Slick Willy or even BHO?

Just what does "ignore" mean?

that again contradicts Herman Cains success, and that of Allen West.....still trying to figure that out,....may have to open my Hahn Pinot Noir to try to get to that answer...

[fightingquaker13]

If the GOP ignores blacks, as you posted, why on earth did George W. Bush, appoint more "blacks" to real positions like cabinet level, than Slick Willy or even BHO?

Just what does "ignore" mean?

that again contradicts Herman Cains success, and that of Allen West.....still trying to figure that out,....may have to open my Hahn Pinot Noir to try to get to that answer...

You might need that bottle, because I am going to say good things about W. He may have been a thick, wrongheaded sumbitch, but he was never a racist. He hired Powell because Powell (likeCheney) gave him the gravitas he was lacking in FP and reassured the voters that he was ready for prime time. Powell was hired because of his resume, not his race. Same with Condi. She's a bit more controversial because some of GHW's folks thought she was under qualified, and there are rumors she and W. were an item (in which case, go W. ). Still again, I will pay you $100 a head for any black voter who pulled the lever for W. because of Condi. It was a merit hire for good or ill. Politics were secondary here. W. has few good traits, but not giving a damn about race is one of them, and I give him full credit for it.

As for ignore? It means that the GOP has been hostile too or, passive about, black political concerns. The old racist Southern Dems like Strom Thurmond became Republicans and the GOP has played the Southern strategy on and off since 1960. Don't deny it TW, because you are a Southern boy like me. We can talk issues like crime, drugs and welfare and affirmative action, and  we know were we'll end up. Still, times have changed. The GOP has gotten a clue. Blacks love school choice. Dems hate it, and that's good for the GOP. Most blacks are homophobic. It puts them closer to the religious right than the Dems on issues like gay marriage and adoption.  Cain is trying to extend that to economic issues and I wish him luck. Still, poll any AA neighborhood on a generic Republican versus a generic Democrat, and 9 out of 10 respondents will pick the Dem. The GOP will not invest heavily on getting the black vote unless Cain gets the nod. And even then? He's running against another black guy. Their bigger challenge is getting the rednecks to vote black.
Sorry, but its true.
FQ13.

[tombogan03884]

You refuse to get it FQ, The reason the Tea Party will not work with dems is because the dem party platform is essentially a list of things the Tea party opposes.
Bigger Govt, pro Union, less defense, more "social" spending, pro illegal immigration, the list goes on and on of things the Dems advocate that have been proven to be either failed, or bad for America, or both.
Compromising with dems is like letting a kid only run 1/2 across the busy street, he's still going to get hit.
The reason the Republicans have opposed everything the Dem try to pass is not because they are "the Party of no", it's because the Dems proposals have been stupid, ineffectual, or unneeded.
It's only over educated, under learned people like you who can't grasp that.