Author Topic: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?  (Read 12079 times)

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Re: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?
« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2012, 08:58:28 PM »
 There have been occasions when persons shot in the chest with a shotgun slug have not been incapacitated until they died from blood loss.
One shot to a "lethal zone", which happen to be the 2 largest separate portions of the body, does 3 things.
1- it is most likely to end the threat in the fastest time possible there by keeping you safe.
2 - It will require the fewest shots to disable your attacker there by giving him the best chance of survival.
3 - by limiting the number of shots and putting those into the largest masses of the target it lessens the chances of misses that endanger others physically and endanger you legally.

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Re: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?
« Reply #51 on: January 01, 2012, 09:08:16 PM »
Tom,

I think you and I are arguing the exact same course of action with only one difference:

You are trying to kill, and I am trying to stop the threat.
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Re: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?
« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2012, 09:23:08 PM »
If you pick up a gun for protection when armed, ARMORED intruders enter your home you damn well better be aiming to kill or you and your family will die, after the women have been repeatedly raped.


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Re: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?
« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2012, 09:38:35 PM »
Tom, I think your argument with M58 here is a lot like your argument with me on the signing statement thread. A distintion without a difference. Here, its about shooting to STOP. If the assailent is wearing armor, or you think they might be, two in the head will stop them just fine. You weren't aiming to kill them, you just wanted them to stop attacking you. And no cop in the world would say under oath that they'd have done differently. Its not a kill shot, its a stopping shot, for very large values of stop. ;)
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Re: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2012, 07:12:38 AM »
There might be a difference.

If you find the need to make a head shot to stop a threat, for whatever reason, you best be aware ahead of time that you are, in all likely hood making a kill shot.

I, myself, want to be aware of that long before I have to make that shot and resolve any "issues" I have making a kill shot when necessary. 

No one needs to any self doubts as they prepare for that shot.  No "OMG I'm about to kill someone" should occur.  Not that it will be any easier on you, just that it will be quicker and surer.

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Re: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2012, 10:10:11 AM »
I also intend to stop the threat.
But before I ever applied for a carry permit I faced the fact that any effective shot I took would be life threatening or fatal to the creature I hit.
If you are not willing to face that fact then you should not carry a fire arm for SD
This is not a "combat situation" where a wounded foe also removes the guy taking him to an aid station.
This is a survival situation where you are facing someone who intends to have his way no matter what, and the presence of body armor means he expects you to be armed and still does not care.

In the words of the old card player you must "Jump big or stay home".

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Re: Home Invaders Wearing Body Armor, The Importance Of Accuracy Means?
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2012, 01:38:06 PM »
I also intend to stop the threat.
But before I ever applied for a carry permit I faced the fact that any effective shot I took would be life threatening or fatal to the creature I hit.
If you are not willing to face that fact then you should not carry a fire arm for SD
This is not a "combat situation" where a wounded foe also removes the guy taking him to an aid station.
This is a survival situation where you are facing someone who intends to have his way no matter what, and the presence of body armor means he expects you to be armed and still does not care.

In the words of the old card player you must "Jump big or stay home".

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