should your gun be chambered and safety off during concealed carry?

[ricco]

That is why we don't say "practice makes perfect."  It is perfect practice that matters.  I you are carrying a gun and have problems with the safety you are not practicing properly and enough.

My biggest issue when I started competitive shooting was not the thumb safety.  My problem was the grip safety.  When I would grip the gun in the holster quickly I would leave a gap that would allow the grip safety to not be disengaged.  I was very quick and accurate shooting guns that did not have a grip safety,but I could not shoot my guns with grip safeties without adjusting my grip as I came on target.  A little coaching and lots of practice cured the problem.

If you can not manipulate the safety reliably it is time for some more instruction and better practice!

In the FOF training you have had have you ever missed the safety or seen anyone else miss the safety?

[Solus]

That is why we don't say "practice makes perfect."  It is perfect practice that matters.  I you are carrying a gun and have problems with the safety you are not practicing properly and enough.

My biggest issue when I started competitive shooting was not the thumb safety.  My problem was the grip safety.  When I would grip the gun in the holster quickly I would leave a gap that would allow the grip safety to not be disengaged.  I was very quick and accurate shooting guns that did not have a grip safety,but I could not shoot my guns with grip safeties without adjusting my grip as I came on target.  A little coaching and lots of practice cured the problem.

If you can not manipulate the safety reliably it is time for some more instruction and better practice!

Or you can take Col. Cooper's advice on the 1911 grip safety and pin it down.

[MikeBjerum]

I have to admit that I am not sure what your acronym FOF stands for.  But I can tell you that no, I have never missed a thumb safety or seen someone in one of my classes miss one.  The reason for that is that I was taught, and I teach, that the thumb safety is where the thumb goes.  Even with my Baretta where the thumb can't rest on it, the thumb brushes it on its way to the shooting position.

[ricco]

I have to admit that I am not sure what your acronym FOF stands for.  But I can tell you that no, I have never missed a thumb safety or seen someone in one of my classes miss one.  The reason for that is that I was taught, and I teach, that the thumb safety is where the thumb goes.  Even with my Baretta where the thumb can't rest on it, the thumb brushes it on its way to the shooting position.

FOF=Force On Force. I have never seen anyone miss a safety in live fire training or competition or least I don't remember it if I have. I don't ever remember missing a 1911 safety either until FOF training, Having a real living breathing opponent changes things. If you ever have the opportunity to take FOF training do so. I watched many opinions change in one class.

[tombogan03884]

FOF=Force On Force. I have never seen anyone miss a safety in live fire training or competition or least I don't remember it if I have. I don't ever remember missing a 1911 safety either until FOF training, Having a real living breathing opponent changes things. If you ever have the opportunity to take FOF training do so. I watched many opinions change in one class.

Getting to that age are we ?
Don't feel bad, I wouldn't remember my name if people didn't yell to remind me.
It seems to be "Jesus Christ !", but you can call me JC. 

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[2HOW]

Both my carry guns have a safety. Of course the 1911 has 2 my Mil Pro has 1 , but I have found myself wiping both hammer block safety's off in certain circumstances. I would not advise carrying in this condition. But always carry chambered with a second magazine at the ready. 

[SCfromNY]

I am glad for all those who have never missed swiping a safety off. I have missed on rare occasions in both IDPA and USPSA. So I can imagine it would be a bigger issue on the street. I feel it is less of a problem to those brought up on guns with safeties. However if you have a variety of firing systems, discussion for another day,stress can be a bitch. Personal opinion I only carry guns without a safety.

[Solus]

I am glad for all those who have never missed swiping a safety off. I have missed on rare occasions in both IDPA and USPSA. So I can imagine it would be a bigger issue on the street. I feel it is less of a problem to those brought up on guns with safeties. However if you have a variety of firing systems, discussion for another day,stress can be a bitch. Personal opinion I only carry guns without a safety.

I started my carry habits with a 1911...years before there was a CCW option in Ohio.  When I switched to Glocks for carry, still with  no CCW option in Ohio, I continued to swipe the thumb safety with the Glock...so I don't think I'd have a lot of problems with that aspect of going back to a 1911.

Of course if you pin the grip safety on the 1911 and once you have swiped the thumb safety, you have a Glock....except the Glock has a trigger safety, weighs half as much and carries twice the rounds 

[twyacht]

My FNP-9 has no safety, just an ambi-decocker. Carried with one in the chamber, point, aim, fire. Unless you cock the hammer, the first will be DA.

Same as my other semi-autos...One may never have a chance to rack. If it makes one uncomfortable to carry a semi auto in Condition 1, a revolver or some qualified training will help.

IMHO, there is no difference carrying a fully loaded revolver, with a DA pull, than my P3AT with a long DA pull, or M&P, G21, etc,..

The stigma of a 1911 cocked and locked still has a psychological effect on those unfamiliar,...but remember, it was kinda designed to be carried that way...

[Magoo541]

I started my carry habits with a 1911...years before there was a CCW option in Ohio.  When I switched to Glocks for carry, still with  no CCW option in Ohio, I continued to swipe the thumb safety with the Glock...so I don't think I'd have a lot of problems with that aspect of going back to a 1911.

Of course if you pin the grip safety on the 1911 and once you have swiped the thumb safety, you have a Glock....except the Glock has a trigger safety, weighs half as much and carries twice the rounds 

LOL!  Thanks for the laugh.  I was looking at getting a gun that would be legal to have in CA as I have the occasion to travel to Eastern LA Metro and my XDM exceeds the capacity limit of ten.  Not too mention the excuse to buy another gun  .  I was considering a 1911 but after some thought I am looking towards the XDS, Glock 36/27/26 or maybe an LCP because of the issues you cited.