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Are You From Minnesota?
« on: February 17, 2012, 08:21:24 PM »
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/02/minnesota-gun-rights-bill-under-attack!.aspx?s=&st=&ps=

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HF 1467 contains three important firearm policy improvements:

Stand Your Ground:
HF 1467 would remove a person’s “duty to retreat” from an attacker, allowing law-abiding citizens to stand their ground and protect themselves or their family anywhere they are lawfully present.  It would create a presumption that an individual who forcefully or stealthily enters or attempts to enter your home or vehicle is there to cause substantial or great bodily injury or death, so the occupant may use force, including deadly force, against that individual.  It would also expressly allow an individual to use force, including deadly force, to prevent a forcible felony, and it provides protections against criminal prosecution and civil lawsuits when justifiable force is used.

Universal Recognition:
Currently, Minnesota only has reciprocal agreements with fifteen states and twenty-three states recognize Minnesota's permit to carry.  Unfortunately, Minnesota’s Department of Public Safety has not sought out any additional reciprocity agreements.  By adding the proposed language, Minnesota will recognize every state that offers a carry permit and drastically improve Minnesotans’ abilities to carry for self-defense in other states.  The proposed language would also require Minnesota’s Department of Public Safety to enter in to reciprocity agreements.

Emergency Powers Reform:
The proposed language would prohibit any government agency from confiscating or regulating the lawful possession, carrying, transfer, transportation and defensive use of firearms or ammunition during a state of emergency, such as occurred in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, Louisiana.

The original Bill contained a fourth item:  To increase the valid period of a permit to acquire a handgun from one year to five years to match the Permit to Carry a Pistol.  This was dropped because some Police Chiefs and Sheriffs felt that they would lose control if that happened.

If you are from Minnesota or have family in Minnesota, find your Senator and contact them!  The Minnesota liberal media has launched a full frontal attack on this, and the liberal sheeple are ranting.  Sadly, I have gun loving friends that are buckling, because they don't want to be labeled as an extremist or gun nut.  In case you hadn't noticed, I wear the label "GUN NUT with pride.  Please join me and fight for the passage of this Bill!
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 09:15:30 PM »
Let's hope this passes!!  It hardly seems fair that you can carry when you come to my house, but I can't when I come to your's.  Hell, if I drank a keg of beer and had a good stiff wind at my back, I could probably piss into Minnesota from my front yard.  VERY frustrating.
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 05:00:56 AM »
Same boat here, TT, if'n I cross the Red River, I can't be carrying. Apparently there was this little fish and game kerfuffle some decades back, and ND won the court case, so MN won't recognize us here in NoDaker land. Or so I've been told.

ND needs one of those no retreat laws too.
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 08:05:09 AM »
Only because you won't let us hunt waterfowl the first week of the season  >:(

That's ok, I had to go get my Utah permit, because the Fighting Sioux won't recognize us either.
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 01:02:06 PM »
Thanks, I'll go do this right now. In the Minnesota Senate the bill is S.F. No. 1357 - Castle Doctrine and Firearms Changes.
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 02:07:53 PM »
Heard back from both my dudes this morning - Rep. Rod Hamilton (Majority Whip) and Sen. Doug Magnus, I also heard from Rep. Tony Cornish (author and leader of the charge) earlier last week.  They all three feel that it will pass if the public pressure doesn't get too bad this week.  We have that ugly blue streak that runs from Rochester through the Cities and up to St. Cloud, and they are very vocal and logistically close to the Capitol.  Our state ILA guy isn't fired up about this, because he thinks it is a lost cause with Gov. Dayton and his veto pen.  However, Hamilton, Magnus and Cornish are optimistic about the chances and dare Dayton to veto it.

The most important thing right now is for us to remain vocal and as in the face as the anti's are.  The Star Tribune is giving the anti's ink for free, and of course "every law enforcement officer and every prosecutor in the State" are against this.

So nice to have a distraction from the arguments over a new stadium and taxing the rich.
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 02:21:41 PM »
Heard back from both my dudes this morning - Rep. Rod Hamilton (Majority Whip) and Sen. Doug Magnus, I also heard from Rep. Tony Cornish (author and leader of the charge) earlier last week.  They all three feel that it will pass if the public pressure doesn't get too bad this week.  We have that ugly blue streak that runs from Rochester through the Cities and up to St. Cloud, and they are very vocal and logistically close to the Capitol.  Our state ILA guy isn't fired up about this, because he thinks it is a lost cause with Gov. Dayton and his veto pen.  However, Hamilton, Magnus and Cornish are optimistic about the chances and dare Dayton to veto it.

The most important thing right now is for us to remain vocal and as in the face as the anti's are.  The Star Tribune is giving the anti's ink for free, and of course "every law enforcement officer and every prosecutor in the State" are against this.

So nice to have a distraction from the arguments over a new stadium and taxing the rich.

I think the dome should be turned into an indoor gun range!
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 03:29:10 PM »
I think the dome should be turned into an indoor gun range!

Little known fact is that in its early years they did some State ATA shoots in the Hubert H. Humphrey Metro Dome  ;D

If I remember correctly they left the football seats folded on the east side and shot from what would have been the third base line east into center and right field.
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 06:55:24 PM »
Good News!

Should breeze through the House next week.  As I read it the only change in the Senate was that they dropped the extension of the Permit to Acquire to five years (matching the Permit to Carry a Pistol rather than the annual renewal).

A little more emailing tonight, and then we get to see what Gov. Dayton chooses to do with it.

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Minnesota: NRA-Backed Self-Defense Reform Bill Passes
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Today, the Minnesota Senate passed House Bill 1467 by a 40 to 23 vote. This important reform legislation, sponsored by state Senator Gretchen Hoffman (R-10) and state Representative Tony Cornish (R-24B), will now be sent back to the state House of Representatives for its concurrence, before being sent to Governor Mark Dayton for his consideration.  The House vote on concurrence is expected to take place this Monday, February 27.

Accordingly, please contact your state Representative TODAY and urge him or her to vote to pass HB 1467 as amended in the state Senate.

To locate your state Representative and his or her contact information, please click here.

Thank you to those state Senators who voted to pass this important self-defense reform legislation.

HF 1467 contains three important firearm policy improvements:

Stand Your Ground:
HF 1467 would remove a person’s “duty to retreat” from an attacker, allowing law-abiding citizens to stand their ground and protect themselves or their family anywhere they are lawfully present.  It would create a presumption that an individual who forcefully or stealthily enters or attempts to enter your home or vehicle is there to cause substantial or great bodily injury or death, so the occupant may use force, including deadly force, against that individual.  It would also expressly allow an individual to use force, including deadly force, to prevent a forcible felony, and it provides protections against criminal prosecution when justifiable force is used.

Universal Recognition:
Currently, Minnesota has reciprocal agreements with only fifteen states and 23 states recognize Minnesota's permit to carry.  Unfortunately, Minnesota’s Department of Public Safety has not sought out any additional reciprocity agreements.  By adding our proposed language, Minnesota will recognize every state that offers a carry permit and drastically improve Minnesotans’ abilities to carry for self-defense in other states.  This legislation would also require Minnesota’s Department of Public Safety to enter in to reciprocity agreements.

Emergency Powers Reform:
This legislation would prohibit any government agency from confiscating or regulating the lawful possession, carrying, transfer, transportation and defensive use of firearms or ammunition during a state of emergency, such as occurred in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, Louisiana.
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Re: Are You From Minnesota?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 07:49:55 PM »
Good luck!

We're in the process of a Castle Doctrine revision right now as well.  We have one now but it's weak at best.  It allows for personal defense but it doesn't yet eliminate possible prosecution for defending your life.  They're trying to amend it to be more of a "No duty to retreat" law and stop any civil action if the shoot is righteous.

 

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