12 states on path to guns with no permits

[PegLeg45]

12 states on path to guns with no permits

Legislatures in a dozen states are considering laws that would eliminate requirements that residents obtain permits to carry concealed weapons.

Gun-control advocates view the efforts as part of a long-range strategy to eventually weaken gun laws across the country. But supporters say armed, law-abiding citizens prevent crime.

Andrew Arulanandam, policy director for the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, which supports these legislative efforts, argues that crime rates are low in four states — Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming — that already allow residents to carry without a permit. "Our viewpoint is, a good person will always be a good person," he said. "They don't need a license to be a good person."

Brian Malte, the director of state legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence argues the permitless systems put law enforcement officers in a bad situation when they encounter someone with a weapon, and he's critical of efforts that would allow people who have never even shot a firearm to carry one in public.
"They want a gun in every nook and cranny in society with no permission needed and no background check," Malte said, adding, "This is just a recipe for disaster."
States that have been or are considering bills in current legislative sessions include Colorado, Iowa, Georgia, Kentucky, Maine, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota and Virgina, according to the NRA.

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More at link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-05/drivers-license-gun-permits/53391932/1?fb_ref=.T1di6elgCsU.like&fb_source=home_oneline

[Hazcat]

Rhode Island....

Hmmm, there is a state it seems ya never hear about.  I would have guessed that they were left leaning antis like most of New England.

[Timothy]

Rhode Island....

Hmmm, there is a state it seems ya never hear about.  I would have guessed that they were left leaning antis like most of New England.

They are for the most part but their laws aren't too bad. 

For example, as a licensed concealed carry permit holder in MA, I'm allowed to travel through RI with my sidearm as long as I don't "loiter" in the state too long.  Sometimes, it's faster to cut through RI to get to other places in MA because of the way the Federal highway system works around here.  I shoot clays in northern RI on occasion and when I called the state to inquire about bringing a shotgun into RI the clerk said;  "If you have a Class A in MA, you have way more than we'd require here!  Come on down!"

I've been meaning to apply for my RI out of state but keep putting it off.

[jaybet]

This is inspiring...I'm thinking that after I get moved into our "downsize" home and get all my official "Papers" back in order with new address etc., I'll apply for a NJ CCW. Maybe it's time to try to change the landscape. Big old fat boys need protection too.

[Pecos Bill]

On the surface this seems like a VERY good idea but if your state doesn't require a permit to CCW what about the next state over or maybe 2 or 3 states away? They might require a permit and while they may honor PERMITS from your state I'm thinking there might be a hassle from some out of state LEO. Don't know for sure but some local sheriff might not know the law in your home state. I'm all for not requiring a permit but maybe we should keep them around just in case.

Comments?

Pecos

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[Pathfinder]

Noticed that SD is on the list but not ND. The Fudds in the ND legislature actually listened to the "there will be blood flowing in the streets" crowd when they were considering revamping the CCW laws. They passed it, but it only messed things up worse. It needs to be fixed, we need "no retreat" laws passed as well, adn a no permit would be nice.

Pecos, yeah, if you plan to carry in another state, that little card is nice to have at this point. It depends of the second state, what they consider they are reciprocal to. If they say they'll honor the lack of a card, cool beans, but highly unlikely IMHO.

Anyone else do the math? That is 25% of the states, more than that if you include the original batch (AK, AZ, VT) in the total.

[tombogan03884]

On the surface this seems like a VERY good idea but if your state doesn't require a permit to CCW what about the next state over or maybe 2 or 3 states away? They might require a permit and while they may honor PERMITS from your state I'm thinking there might be a hassle from some out of state LEO. Don't know for sure but some local sheriff might not know the law in your home state. I'm all for not requiring a permit but maybe we should keep them around just in case.

Comments?

Pecos

That is how it is done in all the other "Constitutional Carry" States, except Vermont.
Since they never had any mechanism to issue permits, no other state can recognize it.
Alaska, had been like that as well but they adopted an optional permit so residents could be allowed to carry in other states.

[Pecos Bill]

HOLY POO Bogan, could you be even partially agreeing with me? That could ruin my faith in down easters. 

Pecos

[tombogan03884]

HOLY POO Bogan, could you be even partially agreeing with me? That could ruin my faith in down easters. 

Pecos

Not agreeing or disagreeing, just pointing out that the other states that have gone that route thought the same as you , (NH's bill would also continue to issue permits, but make them optional. also, if you have a permit you could skip NICS check on purchases )
Your comment does give me a chance to expound on my favorite topic, history.
You all know I'm a stickler about people calling New Yorkers "Yankees", or "New Englander's".
Well, a "Down Easter" specifically refers to some one from the coast of Maine, NH, or Mass, because in the days of sail in order to get from (for example ) Gloucester, to the fishing grounds on the Grand Banks (due east ) they had to start off heading south to pick up the winds and currents, and to clear the southern tip of Nova Scotia, and Cape Sable with its surrounding shoals and rocks.
So while my Dad's family were all "Down Easters", since I was born inland I have no more right to the title than a Vermonter.

[Pecos Bill]

Not agreeing or disagreeing, just pointing out that the other states that have gone that route thought the same as you , (NH's bill would also continue to issue permits, but make them optional. also, if you have a permit you could skip NICS check on purchases )
Your comment does give me a chance to expound on my favorite topic, history.
You all know I'm a stickler about people calling New Yorkers "Yankees", or "New Englander's".
Well, a "Down Easter" specifically refers to some one from the coast of Maine, NH, or Mass, because in the days of sail in order to get from (for example ) Gloucester, to the fishing grounds on the Grand Banks (due east ) they had to start off heading south to pick up the winds and currents, and to clear the southern tip of Nova Scotia, and Cape Sable with its surrounding shoals and rocks.
So while my Dad's family were all "Down Easters", since I was born inland I have no more right to the title than a Vermonter.

Thanks Bogan, you have restored my faith in people from where you live, whatever you're called.

Pecos