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How to handle this
« on: March 08, 2012, 08:05:05 PM »
Two people carrying a concealed weapon who do not know each other. Today people who carry concealed weapons legally are increasing in numbers so the chances of two people carrying concealed are increasing being in the same place when one of you might be in a bad situation being harassed or beginning assaulted. So what would you do if you were witnessing a assault that was starting to happen. You see a man and his family and there are one or two or more bad people threatening them and you see a weapon ? How to handle this should you stay back and watch as a witness phone 911. If you try to help that family the father might think you are part of that group assaulting  him so he might shoot at you as well. (((It would be hard not to try and help that person out))).Possibly yelling out loud commands to stop the bad situation might make the father think you are there to help and not part of that gang of people. You may not even know that he the father is carrying if you are behind him so if you see something that justifies you to present your weapon and he turns around to see you now you just became a threat to him. Something to think about

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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 08:29:10 PM »
1. Call 911
2. Call out to the BGs that the cops have been called
3. Intervene only if the good guy goes down and the rest of his/her family appear to be unarmed and is in peril.

Check the laws where you live to see if this is even possible.

Also, pulling the weapon out without a clear threat to your (or someone else's life depending on the state and locale) is considered a crime in and of itself.
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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 08:53:41 PM »
What Path said,
How do you know it isn't a pair of under cover cops grabbing a pedophile ?
Unless you know for sure what you are seeing any active intervention by you shows extremely poor judgement.
Bunch of younger guys grabbing an older couple off the street ?
Like the Cops that picked up Whitey Bolger and his Girl friend ?

Do you really want to stand in front of a Judge and jury with nothing to say but "It seemed like a good idea at the time" ?

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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 08:57:14 PM »
Dial 911 as Path said.  ;DBe a good witness. Take notes. Keep your distance. Throw grenades if need be.  ;D

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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 04:39:33 AM »
Carrying a gun does not make you a cop.  You must be very selective and judicious about its use or you will find yourself being unable to even own firearms again.  The previous advice is your best bet in a situation like this.

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Re: How to handle this
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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 08:28:17 AM »
Whether I had a weapon or not I would still want to help that is just who I am ...I have absolutely no desire to play police...Yes making a phone call to 911 would probably be one of the first things I could do, but I still do not know if I could just stand there and watch a family get beat up, we know very well how long it can take for police to come to help it can be 5 minutes or 25 minutes. I have done quite a few stupid things in my life and I do not think helping somebody would be one of them. In the state I am in you are allowed to go to the defense of others if their lives are in danger." I'm well aware by doing so you had better be correct in your decision, but that would have to be the same decision I would make if my life was in danger. What would be the difference if you noticed a car accident you see a car starting to go on fire  people unconscious inside you would not try to help even putting your life at risk to get those people out of that car before they burn alive, I do not see the difference wanting to help people who are in need

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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 09:23:02 AM »
I recall reading a story in the newspaper a while ago about an individual in a grocery store that was witnessing a knife attack on a woman employee in the store by, what turned out to be an estranged ex-husband. The witness, an armed man, drew his weapon and shot the woman's attacker, killing him. The woman survived in spite of several stab wounds. The man was not only not charged, but was commended for his actions. Had he not intervened the woman would be dead.

That is a difficult position to be in. Had it happened in Chicago, New York city, or our nations capitol, that good samaritan would probably still be in prison. Could you just stand there and watch that poor woman be stabbed to death?

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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2012, 07:00:29 PM »
What would be the difference if you noticed a car accident you see a car starting to go on fire  people unconscious inside you would not try to help even putting your life at risk to get those people out of that car before they burn alive, I do not see the difference wanting to help people who are in need

The car accident is an obvious, cut & dried situation and your actions are covered by "Good Samaritan" laws.
The "man in a scuffle" scenario can be anything but. Be a good witness, call 911, help out from a safe distance as much as you can.(verbal commands)
Keep the gun holstered. Your freedom may depend on it. 

As Tom pointed out, Bunch of younger guys grabbing an older couple off the street? Like the Cops that picked up Whitey Bolger and his Girlfriend?

You can say lots of bad things about pedophiles; but at least they drive slowly past schools.

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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 07:03:14 AM »
Situation awareness is hard at times. My mentor taught me long ago that the best weapon is the one they don't see until after it is used. Set up or have your weapon cloaked and play the part of the  good citizen. Calling 911, trying to sort out who is who and being the voice of reason. Many place where CCW are allowed, brandishing is not. Also having a second option such as pepper spray is a good way to not make yourself look like the person who is just itching to get in a gun fight.

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Re: How to handle this
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 07:58:03 PM »
An undercover (plain clothed) Wilmington, NC Police officer was shot by a legally permitted CCW holder, exercising a warrant with back up and other LEO's in a prostitution/drug investigation.

It ended badly...When the "Good Citizen",...thought a woman was being assaulted by a "dude".....All the previous posts are correct.

Yes things happen fast, but keep your hero factor in check as a secondary. Remember, there has to be a direct threat to YOUR life, and if its not your direct family or friends....You better be be double sure....Hard to do as a non-LEO....
Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

 

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