There needs to be a fith rule added....

[Philip]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/3-year-old-boy-killed-in-accidental-shooting-case-142598826.html

http://www.king5.com/home/Marysville-cop-suspended-over-daughters-shooting-142382075.html

My son and I talk about the four gun safety rules all the time: 

1. Treat all guns as if they are loaded

2. Finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot

3. Be sure of your target and what is behind it

4. Never point a gun at something you're not willing to Destroy

There may be a rule out their already and it is definitely a rule in my home......

5. A gun is either on your person or locked away.

I am truly sorry for the families and thier loss.  I hope and pray that something like this never happens again. I have three vaults, a stand up, a pistol vault near my bed and one in my truck.  I just wanted to remind people of the gun safety rules and to bring this up to try to prevent another horrible tragedy.

[Dakotaranger]

Good point

[twyacht]

Thank you Philip, and welcome to DRTV. If you go through the past pages of this forum, you will find many postings regarding the paramount issue to gun owners, hunters, competitive shooters, and all the above...

That is safety.

When we post a tragedy similar to the ones you referenced, it is done to expand on the very foundation that safety takes precedence over any firearms related action.

Sadly, there will be folks like Plaxico Burris and others, that simply don't get it. Those that take for granted the immense responsibility that comes with being a firearms owner. These are the stories the anti-gun folks thrive upon, and an aspect we here always reiterate as the foundation that precedes all others when it comes to handling firearms.

Take care, and stay safe.

tw

[tombogan03884]

The man put his pistol under the seat and got out to pump gas while the boy's mother went inside the convenience store,

Officer Carlile and his wife were out of the vehicle at the time, but nearby.

Philips "5th rule" is a waste.
Both sets of parents belong in prison .
They left toddlers   unattended in vehicles.
The fact of the equally unattended loaded firearms is just icing on the cake.

[Philip]

But if the 5th rule was applied the gun in question would not be assesable by the kids.  I thought this topic worth bringing up because this happend twice in a week in Washington, just to make us aware and to act as a reminder.

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[Magoo541]

But if the 5th rule was applied the gun in question would not be assesable by the kids.  I thought this topic worth bringing up because this happend twice in a week in Washington, just to make us aware and to act as a reminder.

So would it apply to officers of the law as well?  Like the one that left a Class III weapon on their trunk and drove off?  Or a group of officers stopping at a restaurant on the way home from training with an arsenal in the back of the truck? 

Just some food for thought.

[tombogan03884]

The man put his pistol under the seat and got out to pump gas while the boy's mother went inside the convenience store,

Officer Carlile and his wife were out of the vehicle at the time, but nearby.

Philips "5th rule" is a waste.
Both sets of parents belong in prison .
They left toddlers   unattended in vehicles.
The fact of the equally unattended loaded firearms is just icing on the cake.

But if the 5th rule was applied the gun in question would not be assesable by the kids. I thought this topic worth bringing up because this happend twice in a week in Washington, just to make us aware and to act as a reminder.

It's a topic that can NEVER be stressed enough, and was indeed worth bringing up, that's not what I meant.
None of the safety rules, not even if there were 100 of them are going to amount to beans if people continue to ignore the most basic unwritten rule of mans evolution.
Use your f*cking head
What kind of unthinking stupid ass leaves kids of that young an age unattended ANY WHERE ?
For someone that idiotically careless all the safety rules in the world are just a waste of paper and breathe.

These were not  failures in gun safety, they were failures in child safety and parenting.
The results had nothing to do with the gun, they would have been the same if the "instrument" had been a small object the kids were not stopped from choking on.

[MikeBjerum]

I disagree!

Rule number five could be under your control, but not locked away.  We are empty nesters, and there are just two of us in the house.  We have guests from time to time, but rarely do we have anyone under the age of 25 in the home.  These guests are not just roaming, and we are together.

We typically have three loaded guns:

A 12 ga shotgun that is usually in the mudroom off the front entry way for pest control.  This gun will move to the bedroom when I am on the road and Mrs. is home alone;
A 1911 that I carry, but when I am in the house it sits on a shelf or the nightstand;
An LCP that is in my pocket 95% of my waking hours.  This gun will also end up on a reading table or nightstand.

We adjust and adapt to the daily needs when we have guests, but I will not unload and lock my gun away just because it is not on my body!

Sorry if you don't like my answer, but just like an unloaded gun is nothing more than an expensive rock, an inaccessible gun might just as well be at the gun store.  If we had children in the house the gun would go into a quick access lock, but your blanket rule does not fit many lifestyles.

[Tyler Durden]

I think if #5 was caveat'ed like this:

5.  If you have kids, your gun(s) are either on your person or locked up.

[Solus]

I think if #5 was caveat'ed like this:

5.  If you have kids, your gun(s) are either on your person or locked up.

It's not just kids....  Having a New Year's Eve party with your bedroom shotgun loaded and leaning against the night stand is just as much concern.

I agree with m58.  "under your control" seems correct to me.  What it takes to be under your control will vary with the situation.