Remington To Close H&R Plant

[HAWKFISH]

I don't want to get P-O-T-A-T-O- 'ED. So I'll stay quite.

[tombogan03884]

I don't want to get P-O-T-A-T-O- 'ED. So I'll stay quite.

 Your no fun !   


Does this mean H&R 1871 is all done as a brand, or are they just moving the plant like winchester did with Mod 70 production ?

[Hazcat]

I forget how all of the transactions went.  Did Remington buy H&R first then get bought by Cerberus?  If so this may have been planned, as Remington has the SPR line of single shots and shotguns.

[gunman42782]

That is sad news indeed.  My first gun, many many moons ago, was a H and R .410.  I have had many others over the years, including the NEF Handi-Rifles.  They are good, solid guns, at an affordable price. 

[gunman1911]

Yes there is a different feel to the way some guns feel  :ie expensive, but there are mainstays to the industry that makes or breaks manufactures as Trigger has its 10/22 and MkII pistols and Smith & Wesson has its revolvers but when you go messing with a tried and true product you  are going to lose your customer base .Even if you have to raise the price some people will still want that product for what it is and how you treat your customers. If a manufacture has to move out of a state because that state does not want them there there are plenty of states that are hungry enough that will back them up and kiss their proverbial ass to move there's more and more people become jobless. If Remington or any other firearm manufacturers want to move to Michigan I would love to go to work for them (Trijicaon has a full house right now and works 6-7 day a week) Why? Because they listened to the the customer and won a huge government contract.

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[rimfirerukus]

 I have had several H&R's in the past and still do own a number of H&R/H&R 1871 firearms. I believe they are a great value when it comes to quality, cost and purpose. It saddens me to see them closed. Remington on the other hand is good in quality and purpose but in my opinion overpriced. It seems to me that with the H&R Handi-rifle and the single shot shotguns no longer being made the only other single shots offered is Taurus/Rossi and the Bakail (The only thing of any quality that has come out of Russian countries is military firearms) offered by guess who. Remington/Cerberus! It is my belief gentlemen that it is nothing more than sales! Bottom line is money. Make your junk the only one in the market available by eliminating the competition regardless of the impact to the industry.               
 Surely no-one here believes for a minute that Cerberus Capital bought Remington because they liked their product. No sir, it is revenue. And when  the Remington brand stops bringing in that revenue watch how fast it goes to the wayside as well. I believe that many of the names in the firearms industry that are now gone fought to survive for the love of the sport not just the money to be made. It really makes me sick to see this happen.    (steps off soapbox)

[tombogan03884]

I have had several H&R's in the past and still do own a number of H&R/H&R 1871 firearms. I believe they are a great value when it comes to quality, cost and purpose. It saddens me to see them closed. Remington on the other hand is good in quality and purpose but in my opinion overpriced. It seems to me that with the H&R Handi-rifle and the single shot shotguns no longer being made the only other single shots offered is Taurus/Rossi and the Bakail (The only thing of any quality that has come out of Russian countries is military firearms) offered by guess who. Remington/Cerberus! It is my belief gentlemen that it is nothing more than sales! Bottom line is money. Make your junk the only one in the market available by eliminating the competition regardless of the impact to the industry.              
 Surely no-one here believes for a minute that Cerberus Capital bought Remington because they liked their product. No sir, it is revenue. And when  the Remington brand stops bringing in that revenue watch how fast it goes to the wayside as well. I believe that many of the names in the firearms industry that are now gone fought to survive for the love of the sport not just the money to be made. It really makes me sick to see this happen.    (steps off soapbox)

I googled Cerberus  and posted what I found on the Cerberus thread several monthes ago, yes they are in business to make money but look at what they bought, Remmington, Bushmaster, now Remington has an AR. They are looking to make BIG bucks with a military contract, thats why they were sniffing around S&W last summer, they want to be a "full range" arms manufacturer. By the way, the guy who runs Cerberus is an avid outdoorsman AND HUNTER.

[rimfirerukus]

 I stand corrected! My apologies to Cerberus. I should have done a little more research on it.

[SlideRacker]

Cerberus took over my last plant. We were GDX Automotive before we were " down sized". 350 people out of a job in the U.S., but that's ok. I guess mexico needed the jobs more than us. I am an engineer, so I can find jobs easy, but most are bad off.
You know, it's not that they shut us down and sold the rest, it how they did it. They gave us unreal goals and cut our funding to nothing while increasing our corp. pay back ( this is the money they rip off from plants just allow them to be a part of the corp). Basicly, they told us to make brick without straw.
He can be all the outdoorsman he wants, but he better hope he does not find himself in my woods. When I think of the two years of hell I went through, I really get kinda red faced.

[tombogan03884]

Cerberus took over my last plant. We were GDX Automotive before we were " down sized". 350 people out of a job in the U.S., but that's ok. I guess mexico needed the jobs more than us. I am an engineer, so I can find jobs easy, but most are bad off.
You know, it's not that they shut us down and sold the rest, it how they did it. They gave us unreal goals and cut our funding to nothing while increasing our corp. pay back ( this is the money they rip off from plants just allow them to be a part of the corp). Basicly, they told us to make brick without straw.
He can be all the outdoorsman he wants, but he better hope he does not find himself in my woods. When I think of the two years of hell I went through, I really get kinda red faced.

Thats corprate life.  Doesnt matter whether its Cerberus or the politicly correct (Insert bad words here ) that I work for, Doing more with less is one thing, but you kind of NEED machine maintenance, When you've been building the same product, with the same programs, for 10 years, replacement parts, and tooling are more important than a new computer system or another paper shuffler, but guess what the neckties spend money on.