Dept. Of Homeland Security Orders 450 MILLION RDS. of .40 Caliber

[twyacht]

Gee, what me worry? Coincidence    with the "tweaked" Exec. Order released without comment on 3/16?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk-secures-40-caliber-ammunition-contract-with-department-of-homeland-security-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-2012-03-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE)
--ATK Wins Five-Year, Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract for .40 Caliber Ammunition from DHS, ICE --Additional .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with 450 Million Round Potential Demonstrates ATK's Leadership in Ammunition Manufacturing

ANOKA, Minn., March 12, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- ATK ATK +0.15% announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration.

"We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE," said Ron Johnson, President of ATK's Security and Sporting group. "The HST is a proven design that will continue to serve those who keep our borders safe."

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Please read Ann Barnhardt's thoughts..

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/barnhardt-why-the-march-16th-2012-white-house-executive-order-is-different/

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Why is the 3/16/2012 Executive Order worthy of grave concern? Simply put, because of the man and the regime who issued it. This is a man, and a regime that has done the following:

(List at link)

Remember, people exactly like Ed Morrissey and his ilk were calling everyone warning of Hitler’s danger to mankind “alarmist”, “conspiracy theorists” and “paranoid” up until 4:40 am on September 1, 1939 when the Luftwaffe attacked Weilun. And before that mess was over, 70 million human beings were dead. The hell that the Obama regime is determined to unleash on the world will make World War II look like a mere bar fight.

Much more at link.....

[Pathfinder]

FTA: "Not so now. These people are totalitarian tyrants who are no longer even trying to hide their intentions. See the bulleted items above. There comes a point where you have to pull your head out of the sand, synthesize a massive dataset into its obvious, coherent output, and be willing to know the worst, and to provide for it."

She pretty much nailed it for me. When you look at the list of what bho has done, all the little pieces of the puzzle he is putting into place or revising to fit together better, the final picture is becoming clear, and it is not pretty.

bho did not do this alone, this has been coming for a long, long time, since WWII IMHO. bho is simply the one who get to direct the penultimate move, or perhaps even the end-game.

[pioneer]

DHS encompasses not just TSA (unarmed) but the US Border Patrol, Customs enforcement and other legitimate law enforcement branches.  All of those federal officers need to practice & qualify with their sidearms, which accounts for 99.9% of the ammo.  It is purchased in bulk to keep costs down.  Keeping the politics aside, the men and women who are charged with the domestic front of the war on terror, have a legitimate need to maintain proficiency with their sidearms. 

Do we "need" the various levels of federal law enforcement?  I don't think so, but for the officers and agents who put their behinds on the line on a daily basis, deserve first class training to not only do their jobs, but to be able to go home to their families at the end of the day / night. 

[GASPASSERDELUXE]

31 million bullets for executions  still leaves 419 million for practice.

[PegLeg45]

31 million bullets for executions  still leaves 419 million for practice.

Ding Ding Ding Ding.............


Just another CLICK on the knob of the stove.

[Sponsor]

[Magoo541]

DHS encompasses not just TSA (unarmed) but the US Border Patrol, Customs enforcement and other legitimate law enforcement branches.  All of those federal officers need to practice & qualify with their sidearms, which accounts for 99.9% of the ammo.  It is purchased in bulk to keep costs down.  Keeping the politics aside, the men and women who are charged with the domestic front of the war on terror, have a legitimate need to maintain proficiency with their sidearms. 

Do we "need" the various levels of federal law enforcement?  I don't think so, but for the officers and agents who put their behinds on the line on a daily basis, deserve first class training to not only do their jobs, but to be able to go home to their families at the end of the day / night. 

I have a classmate that is a contract accountant, handles grant monies, for DHS, so like many organizations there are several members that don't carry/qualify/shoot firearms. 

So why would an organization of 210,000 (and we have established they all don't carry/qualify/shoot) need 450 million rounds of 40 cal.?  That is about 428 rounds per individual per year for all of DHS, lets say that the number that carry/qualify/shoot is just half of that and they each have 850 rounds per year to qualify & practice.  A good qualification course is what-60 rounds?  Two times through just because leaves them with 730 round to practice.  A box a month, just humor me, for practice leaves them with 110 rounds to carry-15 rounds per magazine is 7 magazines plus a few extra (the same number I used to carry guarding nuclear warheads in Germany 22 years ago). 

Somehow I don't think that is the plan, call me.... skeptical.

[jnevis]

Do you REALLY beleive the crap that you put through your keyboard?  

How many rounds do you think the military gets from Winchester, ATK, and others every year?  Those are also multi-year, IDIQ contracts for millions of rounds each.  A basic Navy pistol qual course is 100 rounds practice, 50 rounds for score per person every six months.  Our department had around 200 people to qualify.  Do the math.
  
Using the same 300 rds/yr+20% for "remedial training" then add 50 rounds per member for duty carry, thats enough for around 220K agents annually. Their current numbers puts them at around 120K-150K agents for the multiple services;  CBP=58K, ICE=20K, USCG=42K +8K Reservists, USSS=5K.  It doesn't include any for SMG training, additional training allocation for range staff, any additional training requirments, or any stockpile.

[Magoo541]

Do you REALLY beleive the crap that you put through your keyboard?  

How many rounds do you think the military gets from Winchester, ATK, and others every year?  Those are also multi-year, IDIQ contracts for millions of rounds each.  A basic Navy pistol qual course is 100 rounds practice, 50 rounds for score per person every six months.  Our department had around 200 people to qualify.  Do the math.
  
Using the same 300 rds/yr+20% for "remedial training" then add 50 rounds per member for duty carry, thats enough for around 220K agents annually. Their current numbers puts them at around 120K-150K agents for the multiple services;  CBP=58K, ICE=20K, USCG=42K +8K Reservists, USSS=5K.  It doesn't include any for SMG training, additional training allocation for range staff, any additional training requirments, or any stockpile.

So how many people in DHS, ICE and Customs qualify with the 40 every year?

Is this a military or law enforcement contract?

You must have the answers to be so condescending...

Just remember, when tyranny comes it WILL be in uniform. 

[PegLeg45]

Do you REALLY beleive the crap that you put through your keyboard?  

How many rounds do you think the military gets from Winchester, ATK, and others every year?  Those are also multi-year, IDIQ contracts for millions of rounds each.  A basic Navy pistol qual course is 100 rounds practice, 50 rounds for score per person every six months.  Our department had around 200 people to qualify.  Do the math.
  
Using the same 300 rds/yr+20% for "remedial training" then add 50 rounds per member for duty carry, thats enough for around 220K agents annually. Their current numbers puts them at around 120K-150K agents for the multiple services;  CBP=58K, ICE=20K, USCG=42K +8K Reservists, USSS=5K.  It doesn't include any for SMG training, additional training allocation for range staff, any additional training requirments, or any stockpile.

Dude, not trying to flame you or anything....but 450 MILLION round potential??
This is .40 cal ammo for use in three major domestic departments.......not military (9mm, .223, .308, .50 BMG...etc).

That's a lot of ammo for THREE departments ............even for four years....I have several friends that work in Federal agencies and they don't practice that much.

[2HOW]

I would be more concerned if it was .223 rounds they were contracting for. I f you read closely the contract calls for 450 mil rounds over a period of time. IMO they are trying to lock up those rounds so if they need them or to keep others from getting them. I don't see that many rounds being just for practice and qualifying. The HST must be the zombie killer of all time. FWIW  they can buy all they want.