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Ayoob Writes About The Sanford Florida Shooting
« on: March 25, 2012, 05:03:40 PM »
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN AND TRAYVON MARTIN: WHAT WE DON’T KNOW

Posted: 23 Mar 2012 07:03 PM PDT
The death almost a month ago of 17-year old Trayvon Martin at the hands of appointed neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman has become a cause célèbre that has even drawn the notice of our President, who notes that if he had a son he would probably look like Trayvon.  I’m seeing some defending Zimmerman, and most demanding his head on a platter, and a whole lot of people who don’t understand how the justice system is geared to approach these things.
As I’ve said earlier in this blog, in answer to reader query, we don’t know enough about what happened to rush to judgment yet, whether that judgment is justified self-defense, murder, or manslaughter.  The police have made it clear that there is evidence that has not yet been made public, and may not be put forth until the Grand Jury examines the case next month.  Some issues:
The autopsy results, including toxicology screen, have not yet been released. If it turns out that the young man who died was fueled by drugs known to cause violent behavior, could that change our perceptions? That knowledge is not yet in our hands. (Reportedly, Zimmerman was not tested, and police indicate that he showed no signs of drug or alcohol impairment.) My advice to YOU if YOU’RE ever involved in a shooting: request to be taken to a hospital to have a blood sample and toxicology screen taken. A “negative for everything” result will prevent false allegations later that you were drunk or drugged-up when you pulled the trigger.
The death weapon was a Kel-Tec PF9 semiautomatic 9mm pistol. It has been reported that the gun was recovered with a full magazine and that only the chambered round had been fired. This is a condition we associate with something preventing the gun from cycling a fresh round from the magazine into the chamber after the shot was discharged. One thing that can cause that is another man’s hand wrapped around the pistol, retarding its slide mechanism.  This would indicate, as could certain gunshot residue patterns or cuts in certain places if found on Trayvon Martin’s hand(s), that a struggle for a gun was taking place when the fatal shot was fired. This would clearly change the shape of the case. But – WE DON’T KNOW YET.

Both men, according to initial reports, were “squeaky clean” in terms of their background. We now know, meh, not so much.  There were allegations of domestic abuse against Zimmerman, and a conviction for resisting arrest, in his past. Young Mr. Martin was in the complex in the first place so his dad could straighten him out after being kicked out of school for a week…for what, we don’t know.
          Pundits who don’t all seem to understand the concept are tying this shooting in to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law much more than they should. There is conflicting evidence/testimony as to whether Martin approached Zimmerman or vice versa in the penultimate moments before the physical fight that led to the fatal shot.  There is, in short, not yet enough information for any of us outside the investigation to formulate a solid opinion.
Update: Turns out that the Trayvon Martin Facebook page mentioned here last night was the wrong Trayvon Martin; that has been deleted with my apologies, and thanks to those who flagged me to the error.  Also, HuffPost reports that Trayvon had been suspended for chronic truancy, but another source notes that his school’s posted rules do not prescribe that length of suspension for that minor an offense. Meanwhile, the college George Zimmerman had been attending has suspended HIM, due to the current controversy.
My advice? Let’s all “stand our ground,” not participate in the rush to judgment, and wait for the facts and the evidence to become available to us 300 million jurors in the Court of Public Opinion.


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Re: Ayoob Writes About The Sanford Florida Shooting
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 05:45:04 PM »
George Will on Trayvon Martin: Remember ‘media,’ ‘well-known agitators’ reactions to Duke Lacrosse

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/25/george-will-on-trayvon-martin-remember-media-well-known-agitators-reactions-to-duke-lacrosse/

“But the problem is, of course, at this point, we all ought to remember something,” Will said. “The last time everyone in the media and certain well-known agitators got up on their high horses and galloped off in all directions was the Duke Lacrosse case and everyone was wrong.”


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Re: Ayoob Writes About The Sanford Florida Shooting
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 06:02:10 PM »
+1 Ichiban, great point. Tiwana Brawley (sp),....comes to mind also.





Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 01:27:16 AM »
!!! THANK YOU MAS!!!!
We don't know much, other than politicians started dancing awfully early this time, (the very moderate-Jeb Bush and Reverend-Doctor Barry O).
Shepherd Smith has been kicking this Zimmerman guy in the teeth, and he doesn't know anymore than the rest of us.

Again, thank you Mas!!!
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Re: Ayoob Writes About The Sanford Florida Shooting
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 06:39:15 AM »
There appears to be an extremely strong undercurrent of ill feelings (almost hate)  in this country that have been brought to the surface.      It would pay everyone to be extra vigilant this summer and especially around the November elections. 

As the song says, it only takes  a spark to get a fire going.

When and where the next spark comes from and how hot it will be is anyone's guess.

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 07:01:14 AM »
For some folks racial harmony is bad for business.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 08:29:18 AM »
There appears to be an extremely strong undercurrent of ill feelings (almost hate)  in this country that have been brought to the surface.      It would pay everyone to be extra vigilant this summer and especially around the November elections. 

As the song says, it only takes  a spark to get a fire going.

When and where the next spark comes from and how hot it will be is anyone's guess.



I will correct you with my belief that today is worse than the late 60's.  I was just into the age of understanding and confusion when the riots really got going in the time of "peace and love."  The difference is that in the 60's we had leaders telling us that it was time to move away from the injustices of history, that we are all the same, and we can all get along on an equal level.  However, groups of people led by radicals turned to violence in retribution rather than just blending into society.  Today we have radical leaders making sure we know we are different, and that one group of Americans (evil rich whites) are still abusing the rest of the world.

Our sitting President is shamelessly working the racism and economic issues to create hate, mistrust, and confusion in our nation.  I believe he wants to recreate the late 60's, so that he can institute Martial Law.  I see this as a campaign plan where the Republicans are viewed as hateful and greedy, and the great leader that already received a Nobel Peace Prize for his message of hope will restore order to our world.  Then, after the sheeple reelect him it will be Martial Law to restructure the runaway nation and avoid riots.

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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 09:44:31 AM »
For some folks racial harmony is bad for business.

The Rev's Sharpton and Jackson come immediately to mind...

Ayoob has focused on the most important point:  we don't know, yet.

It's entirely possible Zimmerman is not a racist--after all, his family is made up of Hispanic and black members.  It's hard to hold racist feelings when the hated races are family members you love and cherish.

But, maybe he is a racist.  After all, it has been postulated the Hitler may have had some Jewishness in his own family tree.

WE DON"T KNOW.

Until we do know, everyone should just stop any rush to judgement.  If Zimmerman is guilty of a crime, he deserves to be punished within the limits of the law. 

Equally, if he is not guilty, he does not deserve the treatment he has already received in the Lame Stream Media.

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 11:22:32 AM »
The Rev's Sharpton and Jackson come immediately to mind...

Ayoob has focused on the most important point:  we don't know, yet.

It's entirely possible Zimmerman is not a racist--after all, his family is made up of Hispanic and black members.  It's hard to hold racist feelings when the hated races are family members you love and cherish.

But, maybe he is a racist.  After all, it has been postulated the Hitler may have had some Jewishness in his own family tree.

WE DON"T KNOW.

Until we do know, everyone should just stop any rush to judgement.  If Zimmerman is guilty of a crime, he deserves to be punished within the limits of the law. 

Equally, if he is not guilty, he does not deserve the treatment he has already received in the Lame Stream Media.

FWIW,
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If you listen to the 911 recording when the operator asked what race Mr. Martin is you will get a gut feeling.  Mr. Zimmerman said he wasn't sure, and he sounded sincere.  As race came up at other times I did not hear anything derogatory concerning any race.

The media and special interests continue to try and build on a foundation that is not there.  At this time, if I were going to blame anyone or thing, I would go after Neighborhood Watch and their system.

I continue to try and keep an open mind as the facts continue to come out, but also as the real and true investigations take place outside of the media's twist.
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Re: Ayoob Writes About The Sanford Florida Shooting
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 11:31:13 AM »
Here in MA there is a bill in the legislature to revise our Castle Doctrine to eliminate civil or criminal prosecution on the shooter if the shooting is clearly self defense.

They're already talking about this case as the reason NOT to allow that bill to proceed!  Once again we fall victim to a perceived problem blown out of proportion (possibly) by the media.  Why the PD is holding back on possible evidence that could make the case either way is unconscionable.

 

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