Can We Change Our Wording?

[kmitch200]

The way it works here , if you are carrying a rifle in the woods you have to have a hunting license since it is assumed to be Prima Facie (sp ? ) evidence of hunting.

The down side in NH is that if you have a rifle in the woods when it's NOT hunting season they will still assume you are hunting IE poaching.

How is someone supposed to target shoot? Or is that verboten too?

After reading Tim's post on MA rules, there is a less than zero chance I would venture up there...even if the game came pre-gutted.
Kinda like my travels to the midwest WON'T include passing anywhere in IL.

[Timothy]

After reading Tim's post on MA rules, there is a less than zero chance I would venture up there...even if the game came pre-gutted.
Kinda like my travels to the midwest WON'T include passing anywhere in IL.

Yea, it's pretty tough on this Michigan boy who could walk about 1/2 mile from his house and hunt in a suburban woodland until they destroyed it to build a mall.

Even so, we could walk up to a farmhouse, ask the owner to hunt and if we were fortunate, leave a few fresh pheasant or other small game for him on the way out as thanks!  

We didn't need rules then!  Our rules were made quite clear to us from our fathers...

[tt11758]

Let me add a couple of things in Iowa that are exceptions to the statement I posted earlier.

1)  If you are hunting deer with a bow you are not allowed to carry a handgun, even if you have a permit.
2)  If you are riding a 4-wheeler or snowmobile you are not allowed to carry a gun (loaded or unloaded) on your person (must be unloaded and cased), even if you have a permit.

File #2 above under:  "Things that make you go...................................

[MikeBjerum]

Kmitch and tt bring up the issues of why it is important that we do not continue to paint ourselves into these corners.  We have given up so much, while other think we are inflexible, that we are stuck with stupid infringements.

The more I consider these issues and dwell on them, the more I feel like Haz on clips or Uncle Ted on the Second Amendment all together.  We have all the permitting we need, and it is called the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America!

Before we enact anything more we need to repeal the NFA of 1934!  But before we can do that, we need to fix how we communicate.  Words have power, and if we are going to keep imposing limitations in our vocabulary the anti's will take advantage of it.

[tombogan03884]

How is someone supposed to target shoot? Or is that verboten too?

After reading Tim's post on MA rules, there is a less than zero chance I would venture up there...even if the game came pre-gutted.
Kinda like my travels to the midwest WON'T include passing anywhere in IL.

You would not be roaming around "in the woods" you be somewhere more open with a target set up.

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[kmitch200]

You would not be roaming around "in the woods" you be somewhere more open with a target set up.

Some people like to walk to their shooting areas. If that path takes them within 25' of 300 trees are they then hunting?   
"In the woods" is pretty expansive terminology that I suspect has been used more than once to screw people by overzealous game wardens.

We have all the permitting we need, and it is called the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America!

AMEN!!

On a side note, a friend of mine had to kill a mountain lion with an arrow because the damn thing was in his lap!
That was AFTER he did some yelling with movement and the cat knew he was human but continued it's stalk anyway. Since then, he calls up Game & Fish every time he goes bow hunting and tells them he will be packing a sidearm and where they can find him. So far they haven't protested. (approx. 5 years)

[tombogan03884]

Some people like to walk to their shooting areas. If that path takes them within 25' of 300 trees are they then hunting?   
"In the woods" is pretty expansive terminology that I suspect has been used more than once to screw people by overzealous game wardens.

AMEN!!

On a side note, a friend of mine had to kill a mountain lion with an arrow because the damn thing was in his lap!
That was AFTER he did some yelling with movement and the cat knew he was human but continued it's stalk anyway. Since then, he calls up Game & Fish every time he goes bow hunting and tells them he will be packing a sidearm and where they can find him. So far they haven't protested. (approx. 5 years)

Your misunderstanding is my fault, I should have specified "loaded rifle".

[santahog]

Just call it RKBA.. That's what it says in the Constitution..
I guess that's close enough..

[tombogan03884]

Just call it RKBA.. That's what it says in the Constitution..
I guess that's close enough..

A little bit off topic, but some serious thought leads me to the conclusion that even if all gun laws went away except for "shall not be infringed" there would still be a legitimate amount of regulation of hunting in order to sustain the game population.
For example you could expect machine guns to be prohibited for hunting, also, Game Depts could be expected to regulate calibers permissible for various types of game, no .50 BMG for rabbits, no .22LR for bear, shot gun only in developed areas would still be with us ,they might even mandate suppressors. 

[Solus]

A little bit off topic, but some serious thought leads me to the conclusion that even if all gun laws went away except for "shall not be infringed" there would still be a legitimate amount of regulation of hunting in order to sustain the game population.
For example you could expect machine guns to be prohibited for hunting, also, Game Depts could be expected to regulate calibers permissible for various types of game, no .50 BMG for rabbits, no .22LR for bear, shot gun only in developed areas would still be with us ,they might even mandate suppressors. 

All that would be understandable.   And if the rules were done with the intent and reasons you suggested, we would finally have some "common sense" gun laws.