Obama comes out......

[sledgemeister]

It opens the door for more to come through:

The backdoor? 

[Ichiban]

It sure didn't take him long to get the merchandising machine cranked up for such a "spontaneous" announcement.   

I guess that means his rainbow logo does double duty now.

http://store.barackobama.com/collections/lgbt-for-obama.html

[philw]

[Teresa Heilevang]

[JdePietro]

I don't understand.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If someone can provide a scientific reason for why same sex marriage is harmful than I'm all ears. However there is no other reason to prohibit it except for religious purposes. This is one of the main reasons I cannot stand the R party. How dare you claim to stand for constitutional law when ignore the very first paragraph of the very document you exclaim to be flawless. I am not an Obama supporter but I'll give the man his dues when he says something right. There is no reason for mindless bigotry to dictate law. I don't care what your religion is or the lack thereof but this is stupid.

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

I don't understand.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If someone can provide a scientific reason for why same sex marriage is harmful than I'm all ears. However there is no other reason to prohibit it except for religious purposes. This is one of the main reasons I cannot stand the R party. How dare you claim to stand for constitutional law when ignore the very first paragraph of the very document you exclaim to be flawless. I am not an Obama supporter but I'll give the man his dues when he says something right. There is no reason for mindless bigotry to dictate law. I don't care what your religion is or the lack thereof but this is stupid.

Actually that is not true.
Whether you are a believer or not  Religion provides a baseline for personal conduct that has worked well for a couple thousand years.
It is another example of the "Frankfort School" conspiracy to impose socialism by undermining the strengths of Western culture.
While I have often mde it clear that I am no "Bible thumper" I have to ask you, have you not noticed that with the rise of the "If it feels good, do it" and "Gay Rights" that morals in other more obviously important areas have also declined.
Is it a coincidence that as Gay rights increase every body else's rights get more infringed.
Do some research on "Frankfort School" it makes a lot of seemingly unconnected political events come together in very scary fashion.

[JdePietro]

How can a religion that uses copy and paste text from other religions, that has on its own no direction in regard to morals, provide the guiding light to all that is right?

1. I don't believe that correlatation equates itself to causation.
The NRA was formed in 1871 only a few short years after the abolishment of slavery. That does not mean it was formed by scared white folk who wanted to arm themselves against an aggressive African population that no longer had homes or work. While the decay of morals has indeed taken place it has absolotely nothing to do with the rise in awareness and acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuality has existed for as long as mankind has, in both the good times and in the darker times of human history. If America would abide by all of the Constituion and not just the parts we like then there would be no more decay in American morals than there would be if we continued to ignore the rights of human beings.

2. To believe that humans derive their moral compass from the bible is absurd. The bible has no clear instructions for how mankind should behave. It points to the entire spectrum of morals and therefore has none of its own. You can say that I only "cherry pick" the verses I want to hear in order to edify my arguement but in essence you have to do the same in order to bolster your own.

Example: If I told you that murder was wrong and that your punishment was eternal damnation if you commit such an act but then order you to do so you would consider me a hipocrite however I can provide you with references in the bible that both condemned and condone murder. If I told you to kill your neighbors family, rob him of all of his possessions and infect him with a desease you think I was a monster and yet people would argue there is a lesson to be had in a mans faith to survive such events.

I think people find it ok to discriminate against homosexuals because they dehumanize them. They say that something is wrong with them, that they are less than you or I. This is the same argument people used for slavery and the suppression of women for centuries.
I think this board is full of intellegent and well spoken people. I am not trying to start a religious war, however I find it unbelievable that to this very day we refuse someone a sense of happiness and liberty because we are uncomfortable with their choice. Someday I hope to look back on this period of time with the same disdain that we have for Slavery or the suppression of Womens rights.

[bodean87]

How can a religion that uses copy and paste text from other religions, that has on its own no direction in regard to morals, provide the guiding light to all that is right?

1. I don't believe that correlatation equates itself to causation.
The NRA was formed in 1871 only a few short years after the abolishment of slavery. That does not mean it was formed by scared white folk who wanted to arm themselves against an aggressive African population that no longer had homes or work. While the decay of morals has indeed taken place it has absolotely nothing to do with the rise in awareness and acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuality has existed for as long as mankind has, in both the good times and in the darker times of human history. If America would abide by all of the Constituion and not just the parts we like then there would be no more decay in American morals than there would be if we continued to ignore the rights of human beings.

2. To believe that humans derive their moral compass from the bible is absurd. The bible has no clear instructions for how mankind should behave. It points to the entire spectrum of morals and therefore has none of its own. You can say that I only "cherry pick" the verses I want to hear in order to edify my arguement but in essence you have to do the same in order to bolster your own.

Example: If I told you that murder was wrong and that your punishment was eternal damnation if you commit such an act but then order you to do so you would consider me a hipocrite however I can provide you with references in the bible that both condemned and condone murder. If I told you to kill your neighbors family, rob him of all of his possessions and infect him with a desease you think I was a monster and yet people would argue there is a lesson to be had in a mans faith to survive such events.

I think people find it ok to discriminate against homosexuals because they dehumanize them. They say that something is wrong with them, that they are less than you or I. This is the same argument people used for slavery and the suppression of women for centuries.
I think this board is full of intellegent and well spoken people. I am not trying to start a religious war, however I find it unbelievable that to this very day we refuse someone a sense of happiness and liberty because we are uncomfortable with their choice. Someday I hope to look back on this period of time with the same disdain that we have for Slavery or the suppression of Womens rights.

You do realize that the whole idea of marriage came from religion? Name one place before modern times there was marriage absent any religion.

[tombogan03884]

How can a religion that uses copy and paste text from other religions, that has on its own no direction in regard to morals, provide the guiding light to all that is right?

1. I don't believe that correlatation equates itself to causation.
The NRA was formed in 1871 only a few short years after the abolishment of slavery. That does not mean it was formed by scared white folk who wanted to arm themselves against an aggressive African population that no longer had homes or work. While the decay of morals has indeed taken place it has absolotely nothing to do with the rise in awareness and acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuality has existed for as long as mankind has, in both the good times and in the darker times of human history. If America would abide by all of the Constituion and not just the parts we like then there would be no more decay in American morals than there would be if we continued to ignore the rights of human beings.

2. To believe that humans derive their moral compass from the bible is absurd. The bible has no clear instructions for how mankind should behave. It points to the entire spectrum of morals and therefore has none of its own. You can say that I only "cherry pick" the verses I want to hear in order to edify my arguement but in essence you have to do the same in order to bolster your own.

Example: If I told you that murder was wrong and that your punishment was eternal damnation if you commit such an act but then order you to do so you would consider me a hipocrite however I can provide you with references in the bible that both condemned and condone murder. If I told you to kill your neighbors family, rob him of all of his possessions and infect him with a desease you think I was a monster and yet people would argue there is a lesson to be had in a mans faith to survive such events.

I think people find it ok to discriminate against homosexuals because they dehumanize them. They say that something is wrong with them, that they are less than you or I. This is the same argument people used for slavery and the suppression of women for centuries.
I think this board is full of intellegent and well spoken people. I am not trying to start a religious war, however I find it unbelievable that to this very day we refuse someone a sense of happiness and liberty because we are uncomfortable with their choice. Someday I hope to look back on this period of time with the same disdain that we have for Slavery or the suppression of Womens rights.

Never heard of the 10 commandments I guess.   

[JC5123]

Ok, JdePietro leave religion out of it. My main beef against homosexuality is that it goes against the laws of NATURE. Humans beings are not designed to have sex with other humans of the same sex. Whether you believe in religion (of which none condones homosexuality) or evolution (also doesn't advance without a man and a woman) Any way you slice it, homosexuality is an unnatual act.