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MikeBjerum

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Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« on: May 25, 2012, 10:47:58 AM »
The last two days I was on the road in nw Minnesota.  Sorry Path, but I got a panic like call, or three, that they needed me back at a desk and company phone, so I flew through Fargo at 75 mph with a dead cell battery  :'(

While in the great north range I had the chance to listen to talk radio for a few hours.  This is something we do not get in our region, so I take advantage of it when I can since I am accused of living and dying by what they say.  While listening to one of the shows (Jason Lewis I believe) I figured out what the problem with the sheeple is:

Jason was going off on the government sponsored commercials where they use extreme "smoking victims" to scare us away from cigarettes.  His claim is that the government should not be involved in this type of advertising.  They should either make something legal or illegal, but if something is legal they should not be advertising against it.  A caller from a ... I will call him a RINO said he is for the ads, because it is going to lower our taxes.  When Jason asked him how spending hundreds of millions on advertising is going to lower our taxes, this clown responded that SINCE we are going to be paying all the medical bills it is more cost effective for us to convince people to stop their behaviors.  This was a fifteen minute discussion between the two, but this so called conservative has thrown in the towel and accepts, even expects, full government control.

During this debate Jason used the word capitulation.  That is the word I have been looking for for years.  When the other side accuses us of not compromising it is not compromise they want.  They want us to capitulate, and that is what this caller, and about five other callers I heard after him have done.  They have accepted the tyrannical views of Pres. BHO and his handlers, and now they feel privileged that those in power are looking out for your best interests.

Did you catch that I mentioned this clown was not alone.  I was shocked that all the calls that come in on this topic were in support of the ads, and the reason was that we are going to be paying the bills.  Nobody wanted things corrected  >:(

Hey frogs!!!  That tub of cool water we all jumped into four years ago has reached simmer, and boil is just around the corner  >:(
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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 11:23:56 AM »
We are stuggling with this exact issue where I live. Our "all knowing"  ::) city council is pushing for a smoking ban in all buildings open to the public. This not olny includes bars and resterants, but even private businesses.

My first issue is that this is to be overseen by the city health dept. However it is the city police that will enforce it.
Secondly this tramples all over the rights of business owners to make their own choices.
I really don't care if a place allows smoking or not, but it should be up to the OWNER of the property/business and not the city council to allow or not a LEGAL activity on said property.

Someone told me that I need to pick my battles and that this is not a big deal. I was flabergasted! No big deal? If you start allowing the city (or any level of government) to tell you what LEGAL activities you can engage in on YOUR OWN PROPERTY, what will they try to ban next?

My point is that we can't pick our battles. We have to fight the ones that they start. No matter how small the issue, because the more you let slide, the more they will try to take, until they leave you with nothing left to fight for.
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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 12:02:40 PM »
Actually, I saw a study that showed that using the savings in medical costs as a justification to force/encourage folks to stop smoking doesn't wash.

It showed that the long term medical costs of the smokers growing old is greater than the short term costs of treatment and death.

So, if saving medical costs is a justifiable objective, they need to  start forcing/encouraging folks to die early...  Like in the Harry Harrison book Make Room! Make Room! which became the basis for the movie Soylent Green.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 12:17:56 PM »
The thing is, it doesn't matter that it's "for the children" The government (on any level) doesn't have the authority to regulate what types of LEGAL activities can take place on PRIVATE property.
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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 12:53:53 PM »
Y'all are lucky you don't live here...because of government intrusion into our daily lives for the last 50-60 years, nearly everyone in the east thinks the rest of the country is "behind the times!"...

Truly sad...

As to smoking...our offices voluntarily went non smoking as far back as '96 in CT.  It became state law in '02 in CT, '04 in MA and '05 in RI with the obvious exceptions of cigar bars, casinos and other more "seedy", well funded venues.

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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »
The last two days I was on the road in nw Minnesota.  Sorry Path, but I got a panic like call, or three, that they needed me back at a desk and company phone, so I flew through Fargo at 75 mph with a dead cell battery  :'(

While in the great north range I had the chance to listen to talk radio for a few hours.  This is something we do not get in our region, so I take advantage of it when I can since I am accused of living and dying by what they say.  While listening to one of the shows (Jason Lewis I believe) I figured out what the problem with the sheeple is:

Jason was going off on the government sponsored commercials where they use extreme "smoking victims" to scare us away from cigarettes.  His claim is that the government should not be involved in this type of advertising.  They should either make something legal or illegal, but if something is legal they should not be advertising against it.  A caller from a ... I will call him a RINO said he is for the ads, because it is going to lower our taxes.  When Jason asked him how spending hundreds of millions on advertising is going to lower our taxes, this clown responded that SINCE we are going to be paying all the medical bills it is more cost effective for us to convince people to stop their behaviors.  This was a fifteen minute discussion between the two, but this so called conservative has thrown in the towel and accepts, even expects, full government control.

During this debate Jason used the word capitulation.  That is the word I have been looking for for years.  When the other side accuses us of not compromising it is not compromise they want.  They want us to capitulate, and that is what this caller, and about five other callers I heard after him have done.  They have accepted the tyrannical views of Pres. BHO and his handlers, and now they feel privileged that those in power are looking out for your best interests.

Did you catch that I mentioned this clown was not alone.  I was shocked that all the calls that come in on this topic were in support of the ads, and the reason was that we are going to be paying the bills.  Nobody wanted things corrected  >:(

Hey frogs!!!  That tub of cool water we all jumped into four years ago has reached simmer, and boil is just around the corner  >:(

"Dinner with Obama"
Once upon a time, I was invited to the White House for a private dinner with the President. I am a respected businessman, with a factory that produces memory chips for computers and portable electronics. There was some talk that my industry was being scrutinized by the administration, but I paid it no mind. I live in a free country. There's nothing that the government can do to me if I've broken no laws. My wealth was earned honestly, and an invitation to dinner with an American President is an honor.
I checked my coat, was greeted by the Chief of Staff, and joined the President in a yellow dining room.  We sat across from each other at a table draped in white linen. The Great Seal was embossed on the china. Uniformed staff served our dinner.  The meal was served, and I was startled when my waiter suddenly reached out, plucked a dinner roll off my plate, and began nibbling it as he walked back to the kitchen.   "Sorry about that," said the President. "Andrew is very hungry."
"I don't appreciate..." I began, but as I looked into the calm brown eyes across from me, I felt immediately guilty and petty.. It was just a dinner roll.  "Of course," I concluded, and reached for my glass. Before I could, however, another waiter reached forward, took the glass away and swallowed the wine in a single gulp.
"And his brother Eric is very thirsty." said the President.
I didn't say anything. The President is testing my compassion, I thought. I will play along. I don't want to seem unkind.  My plate was whisked away before I had tasted a bite.
"Eric's children are also quite hungry."
With a lurch, I crashed to the floor. My chair had been pulled out from under me. I stood,brushing myself off angrily, and watched as it was carried from the room.
And their grandmother can't stand for long."
 
I excused myself, smiling outwardly, but inside feeling like a fool.  Obviously I had been invited to the White House to be sport for some game. I reached for my coat, to find that it had been taken. I turned back to the President. "Their grandfather doesn't like the cold."
 
I wanted to shout - that was my coat! But again, I looked at the placid smiling face of my host and decided I was being a poor sport. I spread my hands helplessly and chuckled. Then I felt my hip pocket and realized my wallet was gone. I excused myself and walked to a phone on an elegant side table. I learned shortly that my credit cards had been maxed out, my bank accounts emptied, my retirement and equity portfolios had vanished, and my wife had been thrown out of our home. Apparently, the waiters and their families were moving in. The President hadn't moved or spoken as I learned all this, but finally I lowered the phone into its cradle and turned to face him.
 
 "Andrew's whole family has made bad financial decisions. They haven't planned for retirement, and they need a house. They recently defaulted on a subprime mortgage. I told them they could have your home. They need it more than you do."
 
My hands were shaking. I felt faint. I stumbled back to the table and knelt on the floor. The President cheerfully cut his meat, ate his steak and drank his wine. I lowered my eyes and stared at the small grey circles on the tablecloth that were water drops. "By the way," He added, "I have just signed an Executive Order nationalizing your factories. I'm firing you as head of your business. I'll be operating the firm now for the benefit of all mankind.  There's a whole bunch of Erics and Andrews out there and they can't come to you for jobs groveling like beggars."
I looked up. The President dropped his spoon into the empty ramekin which had been his creme brulee. He drained the last drops of his wine.
 
As the table was cleared, he lit a cigarette and leaned back in his chair. He stared at me. I clung to the edge of the table as if were a ledge and I were a man hanging over an abyss.. I thought of the years behind me, of the life I had lived. The life I had earned with a lifetime of work, risk and struggle. Why was I punished? How had I allowed it to be taken? What game had I played and lost? I looked across the table and noticed with some surprise that there was no game board between us.  What had I done wrong?
As if answering the unspoken thought, the President suddenly cocked his head, locked his empty eyes to mine, and bared a million teeth, chuckling wryly as he folded his hands.
"You should have stopped me at the dinner roll," he said.

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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 01:49:41 PM »
Minnesota went smoke free by law.  Stupid thing is that even with a law that bans smoking in public buildings (by the way, a private restaurant, bar, hotel, store, etc. are all considered public) the law also requires businesses to put no smoking signs on their entrance doors.  I have argued that it is either time to decide if tobacco is legal or not.  If they don't want smoking then they should ban tobacco, if they are not going to ban tobacco they need to quit making it illegal to use it.

Sound like I just ran in circles there?  You bet, but only the government can find logic in that.
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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 01:53:05 PM »
m58.
Back in the last days of the Soviet Union reduction of various rations was a common and grudgingly accepted occurrence.
When they cut the tobacco and vodka rations however there were riots that killed hundreds.

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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 02:19:34 PM »
What will it take in the U.S.?

They've effectively banned our arms, they have curtailed our freedom of religion and conservative speech, and they have protected some races over others.  At what point does someone follow the direction of Pres. Thomas Jefferson!

As I looked at some of his words I came across some of these gems:

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

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And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter.

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I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

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God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

I keep a couple of lists of Pres. Jefferson's thoughts bookmarked, and I will search them from time to time.  More people should do this of not only Jefferson, but of the other Founding Fathers as well!

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Read that list and explain to me why people think Ted Nugent is radical or to be feared.  Pres. Jefferson would not live as a free man in today's U.S.A.  :'(
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Re: Warning!!! I finally figured it out
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 02:30:13 PM »
Let me add one more from Pres. Jefferson along with a current editorial picture:

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A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.

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