One Catastrophic Event..

[santahog]

Dont worry. That'll never happen here..

[tombogan03884]

The only ones listening already know.
The rest don't care .
They want to live with out thought or responsibility.
They want their own niche of victimhood and their MTV.
They want to let their betters run the country.
Their betters give them welfare and things like economics are boring.
Got to go, "Dancing with the stars" is coming on.

They deserve what's coming.

[santahog]

The only ones listening already know.
The rest don't care .
They want to live with out thought or responsibility.
They want their own niche of victimhood and their MTV.
They want to let their betters run the country.
Their betters give them welfare and things like economics are boring.
Got to go, "Dancing with the stars" is coming on.

They deserve what's coming.

But that's kinda what makes me feel like I'm banging my head against the wall.. Those who will hear me already know.. Those who dismiss it won't have enough pieces left to pick up when they finally understand that it's important..

[Ulmus]

The upcoming election will be an indicator of which way we choose as a country.

[tombogan03884]

But that's kinda what makes me feel like I'm banging my head against the wall.. Those who will hear me already know.. Those who dismiss it won't have enough pieces left to pick up when they finally understand that it's important..

Fortunately most of them will be really puzzled, and dead.
So they will not be under foot  screwing up our rebuilding process.
Although they and their masters have been in the drivers seat so long we may have to start that rebuilding at a very basic level.
The Bible mentions something about those who have eyes but will not see, and those who have ears but refuse to hear.
That's who's been running the country for 50+ years.

[Sponsor]

[santahog]

You're mixing scripture, but I know.. You're trying to quote Jesus. The reference that comes to mind for me in this circumstance has to do with end times, where those who have rejected Jesus will be blinded to the truth going around them..
Every time I try to figure out why nobody can see these things right in front of them, I have to remind myself that this is why..
With things like the post on the East German guy, I'm reminded of the saying "If you want to know what water's like, don't ask a fish".. That, however, seems a bit generous given the gravity of what's before us..

[tombogan03884]

My Great Grandfather said that he had seen the best years of this country and it would be all down hill from then on.
I only disagree with him because he died before we landed on the Moon.
The cracks were showing but we had not yet lost the Vn war at the negotiating table . It has been all down hill since Nixon was forced out.
That was the last gasp of the Republic.
Since then it has just been a matter of using the media to brainwash the public to accept our new messiah.
Saint Barack the Black, (sort of ).
The American people have had their aggression bred out of them, they may be able to digest meat, but they have become "grass eaters" .

[santahog]

One could point to many things that took us away from our structural founding/foundations, like the income tax or the direct election of Senators but in my mind it was the decade of the 60s, in part, television.. We had survived waves of drug addiction before, with all (what little) that gets left behind from that. The Fed could have been managed had the currency remained backed by something tangible.. Even on it's current basis, it could've been managed (absent human greed and with proper oversight, or course).
I AM a Christian.. We were in fact founded a Christian namion. Not because I say so or want it to be, it just was. It can be found on every vestage of the Republic as it stood. Stood.. As a Christian, I can tell you without reservation or shame that God, Christ, the Holy spirit are real, tangible and Holy God.. We asked Him, not the other way around. Our foundations were dug and poured in Him. The Founders all attest to that in writings between each other and in our Birth Certificate itself. It's often said, truly so, "God didn't move".. That is to say that as a nation, a people, "we left Him", not the other way around.. All the squealing you hear running around are to have those vestages scrubbed from "today"suggesting that they have been there all along, which historically, of course they have been. The line in the Pledge in 59 was in response to the godlessness that faced us as a sovereign nation, and that that sovereignty existed only under God and to the degree that we remained united there under. Just a reaffirmation to those of us at the time and a reminder to those of us to come after.
Perhaps, (humanly speaking) that was the beginning of the end for the nation, as it seemed to be the "starting gun" to eliminate all that tied us to or symbolized those ties to that God from the foundations. (Racism was still in place as an institution only as a result of secularists having been given power in the name of intellectual enlightenment back at the turn of the last century). What happened after 59? All the court rulings taking prayer out or public life in all that the Court could strip out at the time, which was quite substantial, given the angle of attack. The kids of 69 had seen, 6 years earlier, that God was not in the law a god that must be respected in the basis of all else.. That SCOTUS decision and all the others since then had a very visible, and palpable impact on all who were old enough to process the impact/import of that information and young enough to be impressionable in what would be their identity, taken from the world around them..
Human nature is to reject God, and if He weren't able to outrun us, nobody would face Him of our own accord. As a man is to be taken at his word, so must God be taken at his word. As individuals, and nations made up thereof, we are "allowed by God" to say to Him that "we will not have Him to reign over us". He, however, is the ONLY One who will step aside.. No man or other power under Heaven will, or has ever stepped aside in the face of the will of the people. Everybody else you've got to fight.. In those rulings from the Court, that were allowed to stand without reply from "we the people", asked Him to leave us. He essentially did. Those rulings only went as far as they did though. You cannot have a "Christian nation" that isn't made up of "Christian individuals". The rulings simply removed the national expectation that we as individuals should be expected to be Christian individuals, Christian in our own individual lives.. We had our excuse.. Many took it, and passed it on to our own children, rather than being Gods children.. Make no mistake about it, the Throne is there.. Somebody will be on it, because power abhors a vacuum, and human nature demands it, ebit the world and it's expectations, the individual for his own insecurities sake, or Satan himself wearing whatever mask that's deemed "beautiful" at the time by those who rejected God, but demand a king to provide for them.. God is, after all, a provider.. There is no such thing as an "independent man" when the crops dry up and the well runs dry..
You know, we've been in a war of some sort, every 10 or 20 years or so since the Declaration.. We never lost one till we allowed the institutionally godless do our thinking for us.. That hasn't changed as of today.. The reason we lost those, and I mean from Korea on, we never lost a war we didn't want to lose.. We got froggy and jumped off into things that we might have had no business in, or didn't really impact us as directly as something like the concept of "War" might suggest as being a proper response.. Even the Marshall Plan worked fine as long as we made our own decisions in the matters then at hand..

I'm rambling on here.. Yes, as a period of time, the decade of the 60s is what brought us to the day we currently face. And yes, our national rejection of God in that decade has left us in this time without God guiding, providing for and protecting us from those most base among us that we have put on the throne to provide for us, (for absent God, we cannot provide for ourselves)..

Now, I've got to go "yard saling".. Oh boy... zzzzz.. She, who wanted to be out the door at 07:00 has made nairy a stir.. I should go wake her up just out of meanness, but I'm not in a hurry and been up less time than I would like myself before embarking on such an endeavor... Check me when I wake up... Later...

[tombogan03884]

Wow, long post.
In order to keep my train of thought I will insert my comments directly into it.

One could point to many things that took us away from our structural founding/foundations, like the income tax or the direct election of Senators but in my mind it was the decade of the 60s, in part, television.. We had survived waves of drug addiction before, with all (what little) that gets left behind from that. The Fed could have been managed had the currency remained backed by something tangible.. Even on it's current basis, it could've been managed (absent human greed and with proper oversight, or course).
I will not argue about the fact that it has been a long process. 100 years or more of gradual infiltration.
I picked the moon landing and Nixon's removal because that was, in my view, the high point of America.
Everything we achieved to that point was done primarily with intelligence and slide rules.
Now everyone has a computer and what have we used them for ?
Face book and porn.
I AM a Christian.. We were in fact founded a Christian namion. Not because I say so or want it to be, it just was. It can be found on every vestage of the Republic as it stood. Stood..
That is only partly true.
America was founded as a SECULAR nation, a government not influenced by any church.
The founders had about 800 years of European religious wars to show them that that way led to failure.
But as I have posted before, the CULTURE was indeed Christian, though not any set dogmatic version. The slightest bit of research will show that the majority of the founding fathers were "Free thinkers" and Masons.

As a Christian, I can tell you without reservation or shame that God, Christ, the Holy spirit are real, tangible and Holy God.. We asked Him, not the other way around. Our foundations were dug and poured in Him. The Founders all attest to that in writings between each other and in our Birth Certificate itself. It's often said, truly so, "God didn't move".. That is to say that as a nation, a people, "we left Him", not the other way around.. All the squealing you hear running around are to have those vestages scrubbed from "today"suggesting that they have been there all along, which historically, of course they have been. The line in the Pledge in 59 was in response to the godlessness that faced us as a sovereign nation, and that that sovereignty existed only under God and to the degree that we remained united there under. Just a reaffirmation to those of us at the time and a reminder to those of us to come after.
Perhaps, (humanly speaking) that was the beginning of the end for the nation, as it seemed to be the "starting gun" to eliminate all that tied us to or symbolized those ties to that God from the foundations. (Racism was still in place as an institution only as a result of secularists having been given power in the name of intellectual enlightenment back at the turn of the last century). What happened after 59? All the court rulings taking prayer out or public life in all that the Court could strip out at the time, which was quite substantial, given the angle of attack. The kids of 69 had seen, 6 years earlier, that God was not in the law a god that must be respected in the basis of all else.. That SCOTUS decision and all the others since then had a very visible, and palpable impact on all who were old enough to process the impact/import of that information and young enough to be impressionable in what would be their identity, taken from the world around them..
Human nature is to reject God, and if He weren't able to outrun us, nobody would face Him of our own accord. As a man is to be taken at his word, so must God be taken at his word. As individuals, and nations made up thereof, we are "allowed by God" to say to Him that "we will not have Him to reign over us". He, however, is the ONLY One who will step aside.. No man or other power under Heaven will, or has ever stepped aside in the face of the will of the people. Everybody else you've got to fight.. In those rulings from the Court, that were allowed to stand without reply from "we the people", asked Him to leave us. He essentially did. Those rulings only went as far as they did though. You cannot have a "Christian nation" that isn't made up of "Christian individuals".
As you write later, you are kind of rambling here, and since I haven't had all the coffee I need either it's getting a bit difficult to follow.
I will jump in here to point out that one of the main historical complaints about the Catholic Church has been that it has no place in secular affairs, or the governing of nations.
The highlighted phrase means that you approve of the sort of religious persecution that led to witch burnings and religious wars of extermination. That puts you on the same level as the ( crap, it's to early to spell this ) ayatollah's, wahabi's, and others sociopaths screaming "Death to Infidels".
I agree that a Christian CULTURE has provided a fine baseline of personal and public conduct, but like gun safety, or drunk driving, it has to originate from the individual, you can not legislate it with any hope of a good result.

The rulings simply removed the national expectation that we as individuals should be expected to be Christian individuals, Christian in our own individual lives.. We had our excuse.. Many took it, and passed it on to our own children, rather than being Gods children.. Make no mistake about it, the Throne is there.. Somebody will be on it, because power abhors a vacuum, and human nature demands it, ebit the world and it's expectations, the individual for his own insecurities sake, or Satan himself wearing whatever mask that's deemed "beautiful" at the time by those who rejected God, but demand a king to provide for them.. God is, after all, a provider.. There is no such thing as an "independent man" when the crops dry up and the well runs dry..
You know, we've been in a war of some sort, every 10 or 20 years or so since the Declaration.. We never lost one till we allowed the institutionally godless do our thinking for us.. That hasn't changed as of today.. The reason we lost those, and I mean from Korea on,
It's a nit to pick,and will veer somewhat off topic, but wars are my strongest subject, we got our asses handed to us during the war of 1812. The only unconditional  land victory we had was New Orleans and that had no effect on the war since the British had signed a treaty the month before .
The only reason the Brits signed was because we were distracting them from the serious war against Napoleon.
The treaty addressed none of the wars causes, impressment, freedom of the seas, or border issues, it simply ended the fighting.
It could also be argued that WWII proves we did not win WWI.
To use a boxing reference, we didn't "knock Germany out", we just got about a 7 count, as soon as they got back on their feet they were back in the fight.
And then there were the various "Banana wars" of the 30's (primarily Haiti and Nicaragua) years of American involvement, Heroism that earned Medals of Honor, and beyond blooding a cadre of Marine Corps officers who would become famous in WWII they accomplished nothing. Both countries are still 3rd world sh!tholes 80 years later.

we never lost a war we didn't want to lose.. We got froggy and jumped off into things that we might have had no business in, or didn't really impact us as directly as something like the concept of "War" might suggest as being a proper response.. Even the Marshall Plan worked fine as long as we made our own decisions in the matters then at hand..

I'm rambling on here.. Yes, as a period of time, the decade of the 60s is what brought us to the day we currently face. And yes, our national rejection of God in that decade has left us in this time without God guiding, providing for and protecting us from those most base among us that we have put on the throne to provide for us, (for absent God, we cannot provide for ourselves)..

Now, I've got to go "yard saling".. Oh boy... zzzzz.. She, who wanted to be out the door at 07:00 has made nairy a stir.. I should go wake her up just out of meanness, but I'm not in a hurry and been up less time than I would like myself before embarking on such an endeavor... Check me when I wake up... Later...
Isn't it funny, it always seems to work out that way  , enjoy the extra coffee time in peace  

Our opinions aren't that far apart.
There are some details we don't see the same but we both seem to be on the same track.

[santahog]

Well, I came back with a $40 gun cabinet and a free outside cat and (free) full bag of cat food.. Wasn't a bad day..
 
No, in many areas, you and I aren't too far apart at all. Perhaps we get crossed over each other because of different approaches or mindsets going into it or something.. I enjoy it anyway..

"Barak the black"... Couldn't that be "Barak the Red", by his political stripe as well as heredity? Just thinking out loud.. If that got around, he might find a link in the bloodline to Erik. Seems like he found one to St. Patrick.. In his mind, that would certainly help him with the unwashed masses.. Maybe Elizabeth Warren could hook him up with her geneologist..

Up again in 4 hours.. Just in time to embarrass myself and doze through the service.. Good night..