Obama immigration shift a hit with voters, says new poll

[tombogan03884]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-immigration-shift-hit-voters-says-poll-144334585.html

President Barack Obama's high-profile shift on immigration last week — announcing plans to grant temporary legal status to as many as 800,000 undocumented people brought to American soil as children — has the overwhelming support of likely voters in a new Bloomberg poll released Tuesday.

Sixty-four percent of them — and 66% of independents, the frequently up-for-grabs voters thought to decide elections — support the president's decision. The White House has forcefully (and rather implausibly) denied that Obama sought political gain from his announcement. But as recently as March 2011, he had said publicly that he lacked the power to halt such deportations.

The Bloomberg survey found that just 30 percent of likely voters disagreed with the president's plan. Fifty-six percent of likely Republican voters opposed it, while 86% of Democrats supported it. Just 26% of independents sided with the Republican majority in the poll.

More at link if your blood pressure hasn't peaked

A related story

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/marco-rubio-says-come-u-illegally-had-111859436.html

Marco Rubio says he would come to the US illegally if he had to

Hypothetically, if Sen. Marco Rubio were not an American citizen and could not provide food for his family, he says he would cross the border illegally to come to the United States.

While discussing immigration policy in his new memoir, "An American Son," Rubio (R-Fla.) called for "common decency" in dealing with undocumented immigrants and said that if put in a similar position as those who are fleeing destitution, he would break the law, too.

Again, more at link if you haven't achieved a stroke yet.
I thought this guy was supposed to be a Conservative ?
Sounds like just another Dem.

[jaybet]

I'm all about no amnesty, but I know one of these kids. He was brought here as a youngster, his whole family is working, paying taxes, and they all have become citizens except him because he had a s**t lawyer who didn't file some stuff before he was too old for the deadline. He's a great guy, and he's screwed, and he's one of the people this order would help out.
I know they're not all like this kid, but if it works the way they're saying, it affects people who were minors when they were brought here.

I would guess that 50-75% of americans (us) know someone like that, and maybe that's why the poll numbers are the way they are.
It's not always black and white.

[Timothy]

I guess it boils down to whether Rubio considers himself a "Cuban American" or an "American of Cuban descent"!

Either way, it appears that folks born in third world sh!tholes are "victims" and deserve special treatment...

[Solus]

I guess it boils down to whether Rubio considers himself a "Cuban American" or an "American of Cuban descent"!

Either way, it appears that folks born in third world sh!tholes are "victims" and deserve special treatment...

Jaybet is right.  It's not always black and white.

Is there anyone here who would stay legal if doing so meant your children would starve?

Any and all crimes motivated by the desire to provide food for your family cannot be weighed equally.

Stealing vegetables from a garden, fruit from an orchard or taking rabbits and squirrels out of season are not the same as gunning down Brink's Guards to hoist the truck for food money.

In there, somewhere, lays entering the US illegally to find work to provide for your family and leading a legal life otherwise.

I wish I had a solution that would be work  for Jaybet's example without absolving criminal behavior and without encouraging future violations.

[Timothy]

I've worked with at least a hundred green card immigrants and with few exceptions they worked hard and did what was asked of them.  I've also worked (unknowingly) with several illegals who worked hard as well but dragged the pay scales down for the rest of the guys in the shop!

There is a path to work in this country for anyone who tries to follow the rules.  I have no problem deporting the 800K people that will be protected by this so called amnesty plan!  This was a purely political maneuver and it should not get a blessing simply because it may affect a hard working illegal!

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[tombogan03884]

Jaybet is right.  It's not always black and white.

Is there anyone here who would stay legal if doing so meant your children would starve?

Any and all crimes motivated by the desire to provide food for your family cannot be weighed equally.

Stealing vegetables from a garden, fruit from an orchard or taking rabbits and squirrels out of season are not the same as gunning down Brink's Guards to hoist the truck for food money.

In there, somewhere, lays entering the US illegally to find work to provide for your family and leading a legal life otherwise.

I wish I had a solution that would be work  for Jaybet's example without absolving criminal behavior and without encouraging future violations.

It is black and white.
You are either here legally or you are not.
Are there hard luck stories ?
With out a doubt.
Does it change the basic facts ?
No.

[Ulmus]

Jaybet makes a damn good point. 

[deepwater]

remember, our immigration is managed by bureaucrats. I know and have known many people that want to come here legally, have tried to do everything legally, yet turned away, not because they don't meet certain criteria, but because some bureaupuke is having a bad day. too much power is given to the agents that evaluate potential immigrants. ( I have been through this first hand with family, and all legal). if they don't like the way you talk, look, or where you are from, you have to come up with the cash to apply again and hope it's a different prick doing your paperwork. not saying they should be allowed regardless, but if we are to reform any immigration laws, let's start with who makes the life changing decisions for people that they don't even know. are there people trying to come in for illegal purposes, less than desirable? sure. but how do we determine who they are? everyone should have the same opportunity to TRY. not necessarily succeed, but try. criminals, politicians (sorry, they are the same aren't they?), and undesirables are turned away. do the paperwork and try to come in legally without fraud, lies etc... and your chances are better. honest people, no matter how humble their origins, are still honest people. let's make the 'process' something that allows people, no matter their monetary situation, the chance to 'apply' for a visa or green card or citizenship. too many of the wrong people are turned away and the riff raff that came illegally or by fraud take advantage of political situations (current) to turn everyone against each other.
no matter what happens, it will be wrong... and painful for we that vote for our country.

[Timothy]

Go ahead and make them legal aliens, grant them minority status, give them benefits, rights and education and they become protected under Affirmative Action laws and all of a sudden I'm competing against these people for work!

No thank you!  It's hard enough competing against snot nosed recent graduates that can't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight!

[deepwater]

remember, our immigration is managed by bureaucrats. I know and have known many people that want to come here legally, have tried to do everything legally, yet turned away, not because they don't meet certain criteria, but because some bureaupuke is having a bad day. too much power is given to the agents that evaluate potential immigrants. ( I have been through this first hand with family, and all legal). if they don't like the way you talk, look, or where you are from, you have to come up with the cash to apply again and hope it's a different prick doing your paperwork. not saying they should be allowed regardless, but if we are to reform any immigration laws, let's start with who makes the life changing decisions for people that they don't even know. are there people trying to come in for illegal purposes, less than desirable? sure. but how do we determine who they are? everyone should have the same opportunity to TRY. not necessarily succeed, but try. criminals, politicians (sorry, they are the same aren't they?), and undesirables are turned away. do the paperwork and try to come in legally without fraud, lies etc... and your chances are better. honest people, no matter how humble their origins, are still honest people. let's make the 'process' something that allows people, no matter their monetary situation, the chance to 'apply' for a visa or green card or citizenship. too many of the wrong people are turned away and the riff raff that came illegally or by fraud take advantage of political situations (current) to turn everyone against each other.
no matter what happens, it will be wrong... and painful for we that vote for our country.

I hope you all realize that this post is not to make them all legal, but to reevaluate the way we choose. as I said, it depends on some bureaucrats day whether or not someone is approved or not. and we all know how petty a bureauprick can be.