Obama immigration shift a hit with voters, says new poll

[Timothy]

I hope you all realize that this post is not to make them all legal, but to reevaluate the way we choose. as I said, it depends on some bureaucrats day whether or not someone is approved or not. and we all know how petty a bureauprick can be.

No problem here...the system has been broken for years and becomes a hot button issue every four years just like a handful of other completely inane issues to rile up the masses of people who can't see the forest for the trees!

[MikeBjerum]

It is a black and white issue.  You are legal or you are not.  If you were brought as a minor and are now an adult, at the age of 18 you began breaking the law as an adult.

I will flex on this one:

Give them the amnesty.  Sign all the BS they sign in DC, and give them ten business days from the day after the signatures are penned to file for legal status.  Anybody that files in that period will have the same legal status as anyone trying to enter the country.  Give them an advantage of having been here and staying out of trouble, and move them to the front of the immigration line.  However, anybody that does not file within ten business days, anyone found to have a criminal record here regardless of the age when committed, anyone having a disqualifying criminal record in their home country, and anyone that is working the social services system gets a free ride on the big green bus to the border.

Step two, all unemployed will be offered the work these people held.  Fix two problems at once.  You don't want to work legally with our system you are out.  You are a citizen and you don't want to work you go it on your own.

[tombogan03884]

The law, f*cked up or not, specifies the LEGAL methods of coming into the country.
If you do not comply you are a criminal .
The President and all "sanctuary cities and states" are criminals since rather than change they law they choose to ignore it or skirt it.
Would they be so sanguine about an "undocumented suppressor" or a white guy driving with out bothering to get a license ?

[Ulmus]

I don't know about the supressor, but Frank at the car wash I used to work for drove all the time without a license.  He lost it from way to many DUIs.  And yes he is white.

[Ulmus]

Here's Marco Rubio's thought on the subject.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/marco-rubio-us-illegally/story?id=16601077

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[tombogan03884]

Here's Marco Rubio's thought on the subject.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/marco-rubio-us-illegally/story?id=16601077

I included that in my OP as condemnation of another RINO scumbag.

[Solus]

It is black and white.
You are either here legally or you are not.
Are there hard luck stories ?
With out a doubt.
Does it change the basic facts ?
No.

I can't disagree with any of that.

What is a shame, though, is that, with these exceptions that have been mentioned, we can see the traits we would want in any immigrant to this country and, by law, we need to deport them and take our chances with the next name on the list.....sort of like passing on a shot at a Boone and Crockett buck in hopes of getting a better one during the  hunt.

[tombogan03884]

I can't disagree with any of that.

What is a shame, though, is that, with these exceptions that have been mentioned, we can see the traits we would want in any immigrant to this country and, by law, we need to deport them and take our chances with the next name on the list.....sort of like passing on a shot at a Boone and Crockett buck in hopes of getting a better one during the  hunt.

Then change the law, but what ever it is ENFORCE IT .

[Solus]

Then change the law, but what ever it is ENFORCE IT .

Exactly.   But, sadly, I don't even think that will work.   None of us here will be making the selection.

The objective of this directive is not to keep the most independent and capable citizens.  It is to get as many votes as possible and that is best accomplished by selecting those who will be the  most needy and dependent upon the government. 

We need to rid the country of the welfare programs and stop the buying of votes before it is gonna work.

[tombogan03884]

Exactly.   But, sadly, I don't even think that will work.   None of us here will be making the selection.

The objective of this directive is not to keep the most independent and capable citizens.  It is to get as many votes as possible and that is best accomplished by selecting those who will be the  most needy and dependent upon the government. 

We need to rid the country of the welfare programs and stop the buying of votes before it is gonna work.

That would also eliminate the deficit spending.
Tax revenues provide enough money for the Govt to pay all of its bills.
That includes Defense, Foreign aid, education, Social Security, and both the wars, (Iraq and Afghanistan ) with a small amount left over.
That small amount and the additional 60% that we borrow every year goes entirely to "hand out type" welfare entitlements.