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sksmedic

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Is this legal?
« on: June 20, 2012, 02:21:28 PM »
Due to increased fire danger, there have been fire bans instituted by multiple levels of local and federal government. I understand and appreciate the need for some of these restrictions, but an all out shooting ban is just wrong. You can't discharge any firearm, air rifle, or "gas gun".  Given my paranoid mindset, I see this as a way to permanently restrict firearms use in the name of preventing forest fires.

http://www.regionalinfo-alert.org/index.php/2012/06/12/prescott-national-forest-enters-stage-ii-fire-restrictions-june-8th-800-a-m/


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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2012, 02:28:32 PM »
I don't know if it is legal, if it is federal land it probably is.
Remember, there is a difference between what's legal and what may be sensible or right.
The ban including air rifles may be because they fear the projectile generating a spark.
This is not an informed opinion, just applying common sense and giving them the benifit of the doubt.
I'm probably wrong.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2012, 07:17:35 PM »
I don't think lead pellets can generate a spark.

And there are no hot gasses at ignition....

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 07:39:57 PM »
I don't think lead pellets can generate a spark.

And there are no hot gasses at ignition....



True, but some are plated and not just with copper.
As for heat, you would be surprised at the amount of heat generated by compressed air.
That is, after all, exactly how a diesel engine ignites its fuel.
Back in the 60's Daisy manufactured a rifle that used a primerless, caseless propellant charge attached to the base of the pellet.
It was ignited by the air pressure.
 I forget the model designation but M25 has one.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 08:40:15 PM »
I do know that where my grandparents used to live, pine sap and needles could be started VERY easily if it was dry enough and a BB off a rock could spark. 
When seconds mean the difference between life and death, the police will be minutes away.

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Re: Is this legal?
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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 08:48:39 PM »
Back in the 60's Daisy manufactured a rifle that used a primerless, caseless propellant charge attached to the base of the pellet.
It was ignited by the air pressure.
 I forget the model designation but M25 has one.


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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 09:37:53 PM »
Back in the 60's Daisy manufactured a rifle that used a primerless, caseless propellant charge attached to the base of the pellet.
It was ignited by the air pressure.
 I forget the model designation but M25 has one.


The Daisy VL

Thanks Majer ! 

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 10:34:37 PM »
I understand and appreciate the need for some of these restrictions, but an all out shooting ban is just wrong.

I feel your pain. Tonto Nat. Forest has the shooting ban too.
For out of staters, TNF is a gigantic swath North and East of the greater Phx area that has a LOT of land and 6 lakes.
There's only 4 million people in the valley so it probably won't affect anyone ::)
This sucks!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonto_National_Forest
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tombogan03884

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2012, 10:43:42 PM »
Can't really blame them for being paranoid.
I heard a report on the news the other day that besides the big fire there have been over 200 others across the west .

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2012, 11:03:41 PM »
Due to increased fire danger, there have been fire bans instituted by multiple levels of local and federal government. I understand and appreciate the need for some of these restrictions, but an all out shooting ban is just wrong. You can't discharge any firearm, air rifle, or "gas gun".  Given my paranoid mindset, I see this as a way to permanently restrict firearms use in the name of preventing forest fires.

http://www.regionalinfo-alert.org/index.php/2012/06/12/prescott-national-forest-enters-stage-ii-fire-restrictions-june-8th-800-a-m/



Not wrong.  Just common sense preventative measure to assure safety.  Just like all fire bans, this too shall pass.  I have survived several of them in my lifetime, and I'm sure I'll put up with more.
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