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tombogan03884

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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 11:16:38 AM »
Tom,

Roberts rejected the commerce clause and determined that congress could use that mandate as a tax, just like Massachusetts does!

I was addressing the other abuses of it, and why Roberts rejected it.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 11:27:40 AM »
Welcome to the New Socialist States of America.

Personal rights and responsibilities be damned.

Watch for a near-term erosion of 2-A rights.

The underpinnings have been officially kicked out of our Constitutional Republic.

We have become France.

We are about to become Greece.

I weep for what I will leave my grand kids. :'(

A thoroughly dejected Crusader Rabbit

Yep.   >:(  >:(

People all over the nation are struggling to make ends meet....and now, the SCotUS has said that the .gov has the 'right' (?) to tell every American citizen that they 'must' buy health insurance (even if they can't afford it)....OR pay a 'tax'........

Welcome to the beginning of the New World Socialist Order.......

The Republic is dying, one bite at a time.....and We the People keep handing them forks.

I urge everyone to register to vote....and if you are registered, GO VOTE.
It is not too late just yet........but it is getting there in a real hurry, folks.

Of course, one other angle to think of.....(and it is a long stretch of the imagination) but, remember how BHO opined so negatively about the SCotUS a while back? Everyone figured they would strike ObamaCare down because of it.........
Well, I'm hoping they did one better than that with this ruling because so many Americans are still on the fence as it relates to the upcoming PotUS election, and who to vote for.......... just maybe THIS is the "tipping point" that helps those on the fence to make up their mind to vote the Chicago Thug and his cronies out of office come November.


(yes I know this is just 'wishful thinking'....but the .gov hasn't taken that away....yet)


 >:( BASTARDS  >:(

(and I ain't cussed in a while)
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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 11:29:25 AM »
I also posted this on Facebook


Ironic isn't it, the SCOTUS told us today that we are no longer free. We are now slaves to government run health care, and we are supposed to be celebrating our nations INDEPENDENCE next week. I hope that everyone realizes that today, 9 people just took away the RIGHT to liberty for 300 million of the rest of us.
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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 11:40:07 AM »


 >:( BASTARDS  >:(

(and I ain't cussed in a while)

I'd tell you to go to the corner, but that is mild compared to what I have been calling them.
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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 11:48:22 AM »
Humanity's wonderful 236 year experiment in individual liberty and freedom ended today, killed off by an officious, petty, tyrannical and temporary Congress (that a majority of Americans kicked out in 2010), and by 5 Statist judges that administered the coups de grâce.

Unfortunately, this has much more far reaching implications than just Obamacare.  The SCOTUS ruling on the Individual Mandate has now given precedence for more Statist "programs" which will force an individual to enter into contracts against their will.

But this is no time for lamenting, it's time to brew more tea.
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Re: This year's election just became even more important
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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2012, 11:52:54 AM »
I calculate that voter registration should go on the rise........but then again, the sheeple might just turn the channel.
"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2012, 12:44:59 PM »

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Affordable Care Act: The Dissent
Posted on    06/28/2012
   
Today, Justice Roberts joined Justices Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Breyer, and Kagan in upholding the Affordable Care Act and individual mandate for health care reform as constitutional. In his opinion, he essentially ruled that while Congress cannot force you to buy health insurance, they can tax you if you don’t, making the individual mandate constitutional under Congress’ taxing authority.

From the SCOTUSblog:

Five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power.

In the 5-4 decision, Justices Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia dissented.

Justice Kennedy delivered the dissent:

“In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.”

The dissenting opinion rejects the “broccoli analogy” raised by Alito, comparing the government forcing citizens to buy healthcare to the government imposing themselves in other markets:

The dissent dismisses the conclusion that the power to compel entry into the health-insurance market would include the power to compel entry into the new-car or broccoli markets.

And “a vegetable-purchase mandate” (or a car-purchase mandate) is not “likely to have a substantial effect on the health-care costs” borne by other Americans.
Ante, at 29.


On the power of Congress to tax, the dissent argues that the way the individual mandate was written does not make it a tax, rather a penalty.

Thus, what the Government’s caption should have read was “ALTERNATIVELY, THE MINIMUM COVERAGE PROVISION IS NOT A MANDATE-WITH PENALTY BUT A TAX.”


The dissent continues, distinguishing a clear line between a tax and a penalty, one which was not made clear in the original language, and one that cannot be re-written by the court.

But we have never held—never—that a penalty imposed for violation of the law was so trivial as to be in effect a tax.

Basically, the dissent is arguing that the majority opinion wrongly classified the penalty as a tax and is essentially rewriting the individual mandate as a tax in order to sustain constitutionality.


http://ivn.us/editors-blog/2012/06/28/scotusblog-the-dissent/


For more, you can read the whole decision here.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

"When it comes to the enemy, just because they ain't pullin' a trigger, doesn't mean they ain't totin' ammo for those that are."~PegLeg

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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2012, 01:09:09 PM »
Well, it would seem that  now the Gov. has to power to force us to buy, or at least pay for, anything they want.

Chevy Volt sales lagging?   Tax everyone for the down payment on one one.  Next year tax again for  some payments until it is purchased.   Only the rich could afford a ride different than the one they are being taxed to buy.

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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2012, 01:10:29 PM »
There have been dozens of reputable  polls which show the American people overwhelmingly oppose Obamacare.
The SCOTUS decision will create a groundswell of pressure on Congress to repeal it entirely, rather than just cutting out bits and peices.
Also, if it is a tax then it is universal, all those exemptions handed out to buy votes are now meaningless.

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Re: This year's election just became even more important
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2012, 01:22:46 PM »
Here's another look at the results of the ruling.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/what-did-scotus-just-do_647932.html

What Did SCOTUS Just Do?

Was today's Supreme Court Obamacare decision a win for conservatives or a loss? It depends on what you were rooting for.
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If you were above all interested in the bill being struck down, it was mostly a loss. On the other hand, if you were more concerned about the qualitative expansion in the power of the government that the bill represented, it was definitely a win.

First, the Roberts Court put real limits on what the government can and cannot do. For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power.

Second, the Roberts Court also threw out a portion of the Medicaid expansion. States have the option of withdrawing from the program without risk of losing their funds. This is another major victory for conservatives who cherish our system of dual sovereignty. This was also a big policy win for conservatives; the Medicaid expansion was a major way the Democrats hid the true cost of the bill, by shifting costs to the states, but they no longer can do this.

Politically, Obama will probably get a short-term boost from this, as the media will not be able to read between the lines and will declare him the winner. But the victory will be short-lived. The Democrats were at pains not to call this a tax because it is inherently regressive: the wealthy overwhelmingly have health insurance so have no fear of the mandate. But now that it is legally a tax, Republicans can and will declare that Obama has slapped the single biggest tax on the middle class in history, after promising not to do that.

 

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