Mass shooting at Colorado theater

[billt]

Sue Cinemark into bankruptcy.

I think if there are any wounded survivors who hold CCW permits in that bunch, that is exactly what they'll do. And I don't blame them one bit. Here you have a state that allows CCW, but some corporation decides for whatever reason, they don't want to allow you to exercise that right. As a direct result of their poor decision making you end up in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. Even I could sell that to a sympathetic jury.

[Solus]

The Ohio CC law has a provision for posting signs on personal property.

The provision also has language to protect the property owner in either case, should they be sued for posting the sign or for not posting the sign.

I don't know of any court test of this provision of the law for either side.

I have recently read that there was a SCOTUS decision that seemed to allow a suit against an entity that did prevent a CC permit holder to carry in an otherwise legal location.   I did not verify the source or it's claim, but it did seem that I would have heard of that decision, in blazing headlines, here or elsewhere moments after it was announced.

[Tyler Durden]

Here it is Wednesday morning about 8 AM St. Louis time.  I have the CBS channel on and their morning show led off the 8 o'clock hour with the Michael Jackson family drama,

I find that interesting.   

[tombogan03884]

Here it is Wednesday morning about 8 AM St. Louis time.  I have the CBS channel on and their morning show led off the 8 o'clock hour with the Michael Jackson family drama,

I find that interesting.  

Have you read the comments on the news stories about Colo ?
While you will find multiple posts by the same deranged anti gun fanatics on each story the vast majority are PISSED, and the ones they are pissed at are the anti's and crazed gunmen.
Unlike "global warming" the debate on "Gun Control" truly is over as far as the average American is concerned, and it ended when they bought their first gun.
Of course the die hard socialists in media, academia, and the Democratic Party will continue to beat this dead horse.
(hopefully PETA, or the SPCA will get on them about that )
If we are not watchful they may even get some laws passed, but they will have to be, like Obamacare, rammed through by stealth and chicanery, they will have no popular support.

[Tyler Durden]

No, actually I haven't read any of the comments from the online news sources...too many dumb people writing stupid crap that just pisses me off.

But I am glad those online news sources have been getting those kind of responses.

I have been reading a lot of the gun forums and other shooters's impressions/opinions/thoughts on this whole ordeal.  Some of the posts about coming to a compromise with the gun grabbers have pissed me off too.   

I still have some UNanswered questions....things that haven't been answered definitively enough for me.

1.  was he really wearing some sort of body armor? (the latest reports I have seen say it was some tactical vest just made out of nylon fabric manufactured by Blackhawk and sold to him by a St. Louis company)

2.  was it really tear gas/CS that he threw into the theater? 

3.  did he make the tear gas/smoke bomb "grenade" himself, or did he buy it somewhere?

4.  was there at least one other person, an accomplice involved, who answered his cell phone and momentarily went out through the theater's exit door?

5.  from some other forum/news source there was mention of some white collar-ish gal who was seen coming and going from Holmes's apartment.  on the day of the shootings she was supposedly seen leaving the apartment complex wearing construction type clothes instead.  sooooo.....who is she?  did she really exist?

6.  also from some other forum, there was mention of a video online somewhere taken of him being interviewed at age 18 before going to college where he talks about reality and fantasy and history, and just in general  some far out stuff.  have you guys seen this video?

7.  did his grad school program know he was nuts?

8.  when will the Tea Party sue George Stephanopulus and ABC news for slandering them?

9.  Should journalists be required to carry malpractice insurance?

10.  was he under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist and what meds was he prescribed?

11.  was he an actual member of the Occupy/Black Bloc movement?



I'm sure other questions will pop up later.

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[billt]

I did hear the AR mag that jammed up on him was a cheap Korean knock off of the 100 round Beta-C Mag. One more reason to stick to OEM magazines.

[Tyler Durden]

okay, good point about the supposedly made in Korea Beta C mag...

where, exactly did you hear that?

do you have a link to a news source?

or was it just conjecture/speculation/supposition on another internet forum?

sorry, I don't mean to be a jerk, but I have read/heard pretty much the same thing from another forum.

[tombogan03884]

okay, good point about the supposedly made in Korea Beta C mag...

where, exactly did you hear that?

do you have a link to a news source?

or was it just conjecture/speculation/supposition on another internet forum?

sorry, I don't mean to be a jerk, but I have read/heard pretty much the same thing from another forum.

Understood, you are trying to sort information from BS.
 I'll fill in the blanks I can , others do the same with this post an accurate picture should emerge.

"1.  was he really wearing some sort of body armor? (the latest reports I have seen say it was some tactical vest just made out of nylon fabric manufactured by Blackhawk and sold to him by a St. Louis company)"

That is correct, he was wearing an ordinary tactical vest from Tacticalgear .com

http://tacticalgear.com/

"6.  also from some other forum, there was mention of a video online somewhere taken of him being interviewed at age 18 before going to college where he talks about reality and fantasy and history, and just in general  some far out stuff.  have you guys seen this video?

He may have been younger than 18, it was some kind of science fair, he was discussing something about "Time".

7.  did his grad school program know he was nuts?

http://news.yahoo.com/report-colorado-shooting-suspect-sent-plans-notebook-psychiatrist-170815999.html

Report: Colorado shooting suspect sent plans notebook to psychiatrist

AURORA, Colo. (Reuters) - The man accused of Friday's movie theater massacre in Colorado mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, FoxNews.com reported on Wednesday.

The package allegedly from the suspected shooter, 24-year-old James Eagan Holmes, remained unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, FoxNews.com reported, citing a law enforcement source.
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11.  was he an actual member of the Occupy/Black Bloc movement?

I have not been able to confirm this .

[jnevis]

They are already looking at suing Cinemark and the local theater for not alarming the door.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/wake-tragedies-lawyers-step-colorado-shooting-survivor-plans-172430871.html

I added the following comment:
"Why sue them for not just having an alarm? What about the fact that the theater owners WILLINGLY allowed the shootings to escalate by requiring those people allowed to LEGALLY carry a means to defend themselves leave those tools outside by posting "Gun Free Zone" signs on the doors. As this proves AGAIN, "Gun Free Zones" aren't to a criminal, only to those that would possibly stop them. A properly licensed citizen with a concealed weapon could have had the opportunity to stop the suspect after the first few shots, not until after he was out of the building as the cops did. He walked past the first three rows of seats, so at least someone could have gotten to him from behind, even if they didn't actually shoot him. Contrary to what TV and movies would like you to believe, bullet proof vests AREN'T. They can be defeated after a small number of well placed shoots at a reasonable distance. Besides, the "tactical vest" he was supposedly wearing wasn't armor, but was for paintball, just padding.
 
Those that say only the police should have guns... the police are only there to mark the location of the bodies and arrest the shooter, not actually STOP him unless they are RIGHT there. The INDIVIDUAL is responsible and has the right for SELF-DEFENSE, by whatever means are necessary. When seconds count, the police will be minutes away.

Why is it that states with CCW permits have lower violent crime rates than those that restrict the right of self-defense? Easy, criminals still have weapons and they know no one else does. Easy prey. Make a predator think twice about YOU as a target, they will find someone easier to go after.You can't take away all the guns, ask the Aussies and Brits. They still have shootings more than 20 years after they effectively (legally anyway) outlawed private firearms. Criminals, by definition, don't follow laws"

We'll see what kind of furour THAT causes on Yahoo (D)

[Tyler Durden]

^^^awesome!

as far as that one Occupy picture floating around, nobody so far I has come forward to deny it either.  Nobody has said "Oh, that's actually my little brother Bobby at an Occupy Cincinatti event."