Mass shooting at Colorado theater

[tombogan03884]

^^^awesome!

as far as that one Occupy picture floating around, nobody so far I has come forward to deny it either.  Nobody has said "Oh, that's actually my little brother Bobby at an Occupy Cincinatti event."

I have not found any denials either, but I have found no other reference at all.

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Why is it that states with CCW permits have lower violent crime rates than those that restrict the right of self-defense? Easy, criminals still have weapons and they know no one else does. Easy prey. Make a predator think twice about YOU as a target, they will find someone easier to go after.You can't take away all the guns, ask the Aussies and Brits. They still have shootings more than 20 years after they effectively (legally anyway) outlawed private firearms. Criminals, by definition, don't follow laws"

We'll see what kind of furour THAT causes on Yahoo (D)

I'll give you a thumbs up J  

The antis outright lie and say that Gun controlling states have lower crime rates.
They try to avoid the question of why did Chitcago have 10 times more shootings the week of the 4th than NH had in the last decade.
They try to avoid it, in face to face debates with me they fail, miserably  
The most anti gun city in the country, in one of the most anti gun states, had 77 shootings in one week, and they have hit these types of numbers before.
In NH all you need to buy anything short of NFA is money and an ID and you walk out with it after the form and phone call.
CCW is a $10 2 week formality, we have not had 77 shootings in the last ten years, total.
And 50% of the ones we do have involve minorities formerly from Mass.

[Rastus]

<snip>as far as that one Occupy picture floating around, nobody so far I has come forward to deny it either.  Nobody has said "Oh, that's actually my little brother Bobby at an Occupy Cincinatti event."

I think the MSM is scared to go there.  Past normal practice has been to attack anyone from "the other side" that presents another point of view to shout them down....we aren't seeing that here.  I would not at all be surprised if they were not sitting on footage that confirms him as a fleabag occupier.

[tombogan03884]

I think the MSM is scared to go there.  Past normal practice has been to attack anyone from "the other side" that presents another point of view to shout them down....we aren't seeing that here.  I would not at all be surprised if they were not sitting on footage that confirms him as a fleabag occupier.

That thought had crossed my mind but I'm not finding anything in the Blogosphere either, Brietbart, Blaze, the Heritage newsletters, Hotair, none of them have anything about it.

[TAB]

Tom you know that there is a lot more to violent crime rates then just ccw.     

[Tyler Durden]

That thought had crossed my mind but I'm not finding anything in the Blogosphere either, Brietbart, Blaze, the Heritage newsletters, Hotair, none of them have anything about it.

You just gotta know that some other people in the blogosphere had to have seen that OWS pic anf then tried to vet its authenticity.  But I still can't find one source that goes "A'yup, that's a photo shop!"

Weird!

It's just completely dropped off the radar.

[Sponsor]

[Tyler Durden]

Tom you know that there is a lot more to violent crime rates then just ccw.     

Yeah, but it is not politically correct to attempt to connect things like race, socio-economic status, population density, education level, parents's marital status, etcetera, etcetera to crime rates.

This could be a thread all to itself:  would legalizing all drugs reduce crime?

[Solus]

Yeah, but it is not politically correct to attempt to connect things like race, socio-economic status, population density, education level, parents's marital status, etcetera, etcetera to crime rates.

This could be a thread all to itself:  would legalizing all drugs reduce crime?

Making the assumption that by drugs* you mean the ones generally used for "recreation".

I would say the answer is yes. 

Not only would it reduce street crime, the reduction in the detention of folks using and selling the drugs could free up to 50%  of the jail space, a cost savings in though times.

The price of the drugs would fall making it possible to maintain a habit without resorting to crime....at least for those with enough self control left to be ale to sweep floors....

The purity of the drugs would be higher and the potency standardized so deaths from ODs would be reduced.

The tax revenue generated from the legal sale of drugs would make a major impact on available tax revenue....not that it would be spent any wiser than it is now.

Some of that revenue might be diverted to rehabilitation programs to salvage those among the drug users who might respond.

Perhaps some type of "permit" to purchase legally, renewable every 6mo.   Requirements would be that initially and every 6mos, the user would have to get a physical at a free clinic and then receive counseling about the current state of his health, the impact of drugs on him and a review of the rehabilitation services available.  The user shows up, gets examined, gets counseled, is handed his "permit" and is free to do with his life as he chooses.

The "free" clinic would be financed by volunteer work, donations and perhaps a portion of the tax revenue generated by drug sales.

If any more forceful efforts to rehabilitate the user are desired, it would be up to their friends and family to pursue that course, not the government. 

*16oz Big Gulps and Big Macs would not be considered drugs. 

[jaybet]

I was going to say, "Think of all the money we'd save from the 'War on Drugs'", but then I realized we would need a bureaucracy to administer the free purchase of the legal drugs, so I guess that would be a wash.
Then of course, there's how to hide that huge black budget they have now for the "War on Drugs".

[Solus]

I was going to say, "Think of all the money we'd save from the 'War on Drugs'", but then I realized we would need a bureaucracy to administer the free purchase of the legal drugs, so I guess that would be a wash.
Then of course, there's how to hide that huge black budget they have now for the "War on Drugs".

Sell drugs through the same channels we sell beer and booze today.   Yeah...there is the opportunity for abuse, but it is the same for everything.    We just need to get better at fighting that type of corruption....simple flogging and tar and feathers would do wonders....

[billt]

My beef with this is just because you don't want drugs legalized, doesn't mean you support a "war on drugs". You can be against both. I don't think we should be sending government forces to Central America to combat jungle Cocaine plants. At the same time legally selling this stuff is stupid, as L.A. has found out the hard way. They legalized this big ruse of "Medical Marijuana", and now they are going to close down these so called "legal" pot stores, because they have become a haven for crime and all sorts of illegal activity. Something the pro pot crowd said would never happen. The stores selling this crap are not properly taxing it, and just pocketing the cash. So much for selling and taxing it "legally". Yeah, right.

If people want drugs, they're going to get them. But that doesn't mean we should make it easier. Personally, if someone O.D.'s on street drugs, let them die, period. They knew the risk when they stuck the needle in their arm. Tax payers should not be held financially liable to clean up these idiots with all of these "drug rehabilitation programs". Other silly taxpayer burdens like the stupid D.A.R.E. Program accomplish nothing but the wasting of even more taxpayer dollars on programs that don't work.

If someone wants to use illegal street drugs, fine. When you harm yourself in the process, or else flush your life down the toilet because of it, fine too. I have zero compassion for these people. Dumb is dumb. That will never change. No good ever came out of someone getting high, regardless of how they do it. We have enough idiots in this country without going to greater lengths to manufacture more of them, by keeping them lazy and stupid on street drugs. We've already got enough legal ones that do that.