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billt

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #100 on: July 26, 2012, 10:15:44 AM »
You shoot down your own argument right there.
You CAN compare the US to Holland if you are prepared to accept the unPC idea that the problems are not due to the items, but to the people.
You are talking about the exact same people who stick up perfectly legal liquor stores.
The 1920's should have gotten the idea through peoples heads, prohibition is not only a waste of time and money, if anything it is counter productive.

So what would legalizing "prevent"? They're going to stick up the same liquor store if it's legal or not. It will still cost money they don't have. All you'll bring is a rash of new taxpayer funded government programs that will "provide them" with the drugs they need....At our expense. If this worked it would have been adopted by now. It hasn't. As I said Holland hasn't legalized it, they just look the other way. Legalizing it would add to the already escalating healthcare costs. More people would use, not less.

If you take something that is illegal and expensive, and make it legal, cheap, and plentiful, use will go up, not down. Then come all of the health costs associated with it's abuse. There is no way legalizing would solve any problem we currently have with drugs, except for making more lazy, non productive idiots. Which we already have too many of. If you dropped cigarette costs back down to a buck a pack, use would go up, not down.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #101 on: July 26, 2012, 10:52:40 AM »
So what would legalizing "prevent"? They're going to stick up the same liquor store if it's legal or not. It will still cost money they don't have. All you'll bring is a rash of new taxpayer funded government programs that will "provide them" with the drugs they need....At our expense. If this worked it would have been adopted by now. It hasn't. As I said Holland hasn't legalized it, they just look the other way. Legalizing it would add to the already escalating healthcare costs. More people would use, not less.

If you take something that is illegal and expensive, and make it legal, cheap, and plentiful, use will go up, not down. Then come all of the health costs associated with it's abuse. There is no way legalizing would solve any problem we currently have with drugs, except for making more lazy, non productive idiots. Which we already have too many of. If you dropped cigarette costs back down to a buck a pack, use would go up, not down.

Well, since Obama just created a new bureaucracy today, I'll give you what I consider the second biggest issue after the billions of dollars pissed away annually on this useless boondoggle.
I will preface it by pointing out that just like murder, those who are going to will do so and f*ck your laws.
Legalization would remove one of the primary covers the Govt has been using for decades to under mine the Constitution and erode your civil liberties.
And people like you, and several others, cheer them on while they tighten your collar.
For starters I'll give you 3 words," No Knock Warrant" Every single state in the Union has suffered innocent citizens murdered by cops because they got the wrong address or some informant just made up a story to get paid.
Just last month there was a thread about a homeowner who answered his door armed since it was late at night and was killed by police at the wrong door.
Forfeiture laws, search and seizure, under the ruse of "drug investigations" have become a notorious shake down where LE Agencies supplement their budgets by stealing the assets of "accused", not convicted, "accused drug suspects.
Even if you are found not guilty, seized assets are not returned, frequently they have already been auctioned off before you come to trial.
Currency laws, If you have a large amount of cash, gold, or other valuables they can be seized simply because you have them, then you have to prove they are not proceeds of drug sales.
Privacy laws, based on SCOTUS rulings you have no privacy. Police can come onto your property, place tracking devices on your vehicles, look through your windows, question any one they can think of about you, and search you on the street.
The only things they need a warrant for are to actually enter your home or business or tap your phone.
All under cover of the "War on Drugs".
"It's for the children " right ?
Horsesh!t, just like gun control, it's about control .

Many of you keep an eagle eye on your gun rights, mean while you swallow the rest of the BS that they have been using to f*ck you six ways from Sunday.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2012, 01:18:52 PM »
You're reading way too much into all of this. The bottom line is drugs are bad for society, regardless of their legality, and or who provides them. Legalizing them won't change that. As I said, I don't agree with "the war on drugs", but I also don't agree with legalizing them either. Do idiots need to be protected from themselves? Don't know and really don't care. Just as long as I don't have to pay for it. Legalize them and we'll all be paying a lot more in more ways than one. Who mostly wants them legalized? Secular thinking Democrats. Who is the greatest provider of "social programs"? secular thinking Democrats. I don't like or believe in coincidence.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2012, 02:00:16 PM »
Bill, (and all you others who think legalization is terrible)
Have you ever heard of Larry Elder ?
Black conservative and author, I think he has or had, radio and TV shows.
Back in the 90's he wrote a book called  "10 things you can't say in America"
I started reading to see what he had to say about gun control, (this was about the time they were voting on Clinton's AWB)
Well, the book covers several other topics, welfare, is one, the war on drugs is another.
I'll look for the Amazon link.
Get the book .
Read it.
He explains it much more deeply than I can, and he has citations to back up what he says.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=larry+elder+the+ten+things+you+can%27t+say+in+america&sprefix=Larry+Elder%2Cstripbooks%2C428
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=larry+elder+the+ten+things+you+can%27t+say+in+america&sprefix=Larry+Elder%2Cstripbooks%2C428

They have it used paper back for a penny. (Course you still pay 3.99 shipping   :-\  )

We can continue this discussion after you've read it and we're both working with the same info.

Edited to add
None of things you have claimed were true before the 1930's when weed, cocaine, heroin, and opium were all perfectly legal.
when they decided to pass prohibition it was booze they outlawed, these things remained legal until they needed to find jobs for the , usually politically connected, Prohibition agents who were about to lose their jobs.
It's exactly the same as the NFA.
You've been fed a lot of BS to make you accept another usurpation of non existant authority by the Govt.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2012, 03:40:55 PM »
None of things you have claimed were true before the 1930's when weed, cocaine, heroin, and opium were all perfectly legal.

In the 30's we were a self reliant people and a nation. No Welfare, Medicare, Food Stamps, Social Security, Unemployment Insurance. People knew how to take care of themselves and others, and had a strong work ethic doing it. Today we take pills to cure "Restless Leg Syndrome". We've become a nation of dependant idiots, both drug and government. Adding to drugs with this bunch currently running around the country, is like giving a kid a 9 MM, and telling him to go outside and play. The result will not be good.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #105 on: July 26, 2012, 07:02:48 PM »
Read the book Bill, not just the parts about the War on Drugs.
Start with the part on gun control, you already know a lot about that, so you can judge the guys conclusions about things you don't know about, based on his conclusions on things you do know about.

As an aside, If the dependent die off or kill themselves how is this a bad thing ?
One half of the Govt spending goes toward keeping these "useless eaters" (to use a Stalinist term the liberals forget about. also it sounds nicer than "f*cking parasites" )
alive and voting dem.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #106 on: July 26, 2012, 07:37:08 PM »
Watched NBC Nightly news tonight with Brian Williams.

Not one single mention whatsoever about last Friday's shooting.

Again, I find that interesting.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #107 on: July 26, 2012, 08:10:07 PM »
Watched NBC Nightly news tonight with Brian Williams.

Not one single mention whatsoever about last Friday's shooting.

Again, I find that interesting.

Because no one on either side of the election process has made this a talking point, no one is going to keep it at the forefront of the news cycle.  Obama made some comments today but they have no intention of doing anything overtly obvious this year.  After November, all bets are off if he's re-elected.

The next three weeks are all about the Olympics on NBC!  There's no time to report anything else...

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #108 on: July 26, 2012, 09:11:27 PM »
Because no one on either side of the election process has made this a talking point, no one is going to keep it at the forefront of the news cycle.  Obama made some comments today but they have no intention of doing anything overtly obvious this year.  After November, all bets are off if he's re-elected.

The next three weeks are all about the Olympics on NBC!  There's no time to report anything else...

Except to bad mouth Romney for saying that because the  company hired to handle security came up 50% short on manpower after 2 or 3 years of planning there was reason for some concerns.
Since he organized one that was quite successful and peaceful I would listen to him , but then I'm not an agenda driven liberal A Hole, or an English PM trying to impress everyone with how efficient and security conscious I am.  ;D

The local news is still carrying reports about Holmes mailing a notebook of plans to the school, reminds me of Pearl Harbor, they sat unopened on some ones desk all weekend   ::)
However I had read the story on Yahoo Wednesday night.

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Re: Mass shooting at Colorado theater
« Reply #109 on: July 26, 2012, 09:58:06 PM »
Watched NBC Nightly news tonight with Brian Williams.

Not one single mention whatsoever about last Friday's shooting.

Again, I find that interesting.

And here on DRTV our ADD has us mistaking a debate on the shooting with the war on drugs.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Sister Mary is beating off the indians  ;D
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