'he's wearing body armor even if you had a gun you can't hurt him'

[wtr100]

- said in a high and mighty voice.  I'm surrounded at work with liberal women.

sayz me - shoot him in the face or maybe the thighs/crotch - some problems are easily solved

course in IL I'm stuck with a 44 oz Mt Dew, 55 gal trash can of pop corn with simulated butter and harsh language
 

[MikeBjerum]

wtr100,

It will not happen over night, but you can educate even blond Chicagans.

Yes, the reports are that he was wearing a kevlar helmet, "bullet proof" vest, ballistic leggings, and a crotch protector.  However, even my .380 acp or .38 Special +P would get his attention and distract him.  My .45 acp will change his course and even knock him off his feet.

None of us can guarantee that we will or be able to act in the way we hope in a situation like that, but we must still be prepared and ready.  Interviews of people from the front two rows talk of how he entered, threw something, maybe a smoke bomb, in the air, and he began firing into the ceiling.  He then walked up the aisle "sparing the front three rows."  With my training, practice, and tools, what could I have done if I were in the front row or two?

This situation is a prime example of how disarming law abiding citizens aided and raised the death count.

[tombogan03884]

The company he ordered the vest from said it was a "Tactical" vest, NOT a bulletproof one

[ronlarimer]

My .45 acp will change his course and even knock him off his feet.

Does it knock you down when you shoot it?

[tombogan03884]

Does it knock you down when you shoot it?

No it doesn't, but then I don't let it hit me in the crotch either.

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[MikeBjerum]

Why yes it does, but then again I am only 5'3" and weigh almost 105# dripping wet.  Your results may be different 

[wtr100]

No it doesn't, but then I don't let it hit me in the crotch either.

I bet a .45 to the crotch would hurt from either direction ...

[Michael Bane]

We can argue all day about the psychological versus the physiological effects of bullets, but my thinking is that this guy was NOT a soldier or a cop or a guy who trained and gave any thought to being hit himself. Also, nobody has said conclusively whether this was honest-to-goodness body armor or wannabe tac stuff. In any case, one strategy to think about — if, and only if, you are quick enough to react (e.g., guy comes on stage fires round into ceiling...there is a VERY short window there!) — POUR rounds into him! Even if he's armored, he's not going to be shooting while rounds are hitting his vest. Depending on the distance and your skill level, see if you can cut his legs out from under him. If he goes down, continue to POUR rounds into whatever's visible...head and groin for the stop, but if shoulders and arms or legs and hips are all you have, go for that. If you distance and skill levels give you a headshot, take that multiple times.

Will this work? I have no idea, but I think it may be better than waiting around for a bullet in the head.

Secondly, lights and lasers!

Michael B

PS: We will be modeling this for THE BEST DEFENSE, and we'll be doing a lot of thinking and planning beforehand.

[MikeBjerum]

Thanks Michael!

I look forward to seeing trained points of view applied to real world situations.  However, I am sure it is difficult for you to determine the PC and sensitive side of how and when to do so.

Thanks again for all you do for us!

[DonWorsham]

Secondly, lights and lasers!

PS: We will be modeling this for THE BEST DEFENSE, and we'll be doing a lot of thinking and planning beforehand.

Don't forget the smoke.