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Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« on: July 23, 2012, 09:55:16 AM »
Seems like if I come visit you guys I can buy my own AR15 etc  :o

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/us/atf-eases-rules-on-gun-sales-to-noncitizens.html?_r=2

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Rules Eased on Gun Sales to Noncitizens
 
WASHINGTON — The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives  is relaxing restrictions on the sale of guns to noncitizens because Justice Department lawyers have concluded that the rules had no legal basis, officials said on Thursday.
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In a letter  to firearms dealers on Thursday, the bureau said it would soon drop a regulation that bars the sale of guns to noncitizens until they can document that they have lived in a state for at least 90 days, such as by producing three months of utility bills in their name at a local address.

While citizens, too, must generally be residents of a state in order to buy weapons there, the 90-day rule does not apply to them. The letter said the Justice Department had concluded that the Gun Control Act does not empower the A.T.F. to impose a stricter requirement on noncitizen gun buyers.

“Once the regulations have been revised, both U.S. citizens and aliens legally present in the U.S. will be subject to the same requirements for state residency and proof of residency,” the A.T.F. said in the letter.

The announcement drew criticism from some advocates of gun control measures, including Senator Frank R. Lautenberg , Democrat of New Jersey, who said that it “defies common sense and puts Americans at risk” because it could make it easier for foreign terrorists to obtain weapons inside the United States.

The Justice Department, however, said that A.T.F. regulations had to be compatible with the plain text of the Gun Control Act. The agency is in the process of replacing a longstanding “interim” regulation for gun sales to noncitizens with a final rule, which led to a fresh review by the department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

This month, the department published an October memorandum  by the Office of Legal Counsel that said another aspect of the A.T.F.’s regulations went too far. It was a rule carrying out a section of the Gun Control Act that generally bars “aliens” who have “been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa” from buying or possessing weapons.

Congress had added that restriction in 1998, a year after a Palestinian  visitor shot several people on the observation deck of the Empire State Building . But the A.T.F. rule went further than the statute by applying the ban to all nonimmigrant visitors — including those from several dozen Western countries whose citizens do not need a visa to visit the United States, like Canada and Britain.

In the memorandum — disclosed to the public on Dec. 8 — Virginia Seitz, the assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel, said the A.T.F. regulation could not go further than the statute specified. For that reason, she said, the bureau must cancel any pending investigations premised “on the view that the statute applies to all nonimmigrant aliens, regardless of visa status.”

Nonimmigrant visitors to the United States who entered without a visa would still have to meet other requirements to buy a weapon — including establishing that they are residents, such as by obtaining a driver’s license with a local address.

Makes for some interesting consequences eh....
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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2012, 10:47:55 AM »
It means if Sledge or Phil were to move to the US for work, they could buy guns.
They just couldn't take them back to Roo-ville.

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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 11:06:28 AM »
We might as well sell them to non-citizens since our government doesn't want to sell them to law abiding U.S. citizens.
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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 12:27:12 PM »
If you guys need a place to store your guns when you head back home, I'll handle that for yas...I like yas =)))

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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 04:28:09 PM »
They also have a new 4473 form.  10A now reads Ethinticity, and you have to check either Hispanic or Not Hispanic.  Then you check your race.  What the hell is up with that??????
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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 05:58:04 PM »
They also have a new 4473 form.  10A now reads Ethinticity, and you have to check either Hispanic or Not Hispanic.  Then you check your race.  What the hell is up with that??????

sounds like it is for Zimmerman....

so you can be White-Hispanic or White-NonHispanic
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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 02:16:04 AM »
They also have a new 4473 form.  10A now reads Ethinticity, and you have to check either Hispanic or Not Hispanic.  Then you check your race.  What the hell is up with that??????
I drew a hold on that one because I blew through it and didn't notice the change the other week..  ???
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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 07:07:57 AM »
 ;D ;D

hmm    i wonder..... 
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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 07:38:16 AM »
They also have a new 4473 form.  10A now reads Ethinticity, and you have to check either Hispanic or Not Hispanic.  Then you check your race.  What the hell is up with that??????

How many times have they revised this damn thing in the last 10 years? Every time I buy a gun it's different. I'd love to have all the wasted paper these things are printed on, that got tossed. I could burn up every printer at Best Buy along with a boxcar load of ink cartridges, and not use it all. More wasted money.

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Re: Its OK - non citizens are OK to buy firearms
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 07:38:47 AM »
So, I can now be a non-Hispanic white African-American?

 

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