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santahog

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Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« on: August 12, 2012, 12:42:53 AM »
Brought to you by public sector unions..
I'm hard pressed to figure out which of these "sides" is the more guilty.. Unions? Whoever approved the contract? The cops? Who?..
This just blows my mind..
(This is a real story, btw..)

http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/25/police-officers-paid-after-shooting-american-citizens/


Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens

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The Intel Hub
March 25, 2012

In a clear cut sign of the police state in America, officers in Albuquerque New Mexico are being paid after shooting and sometimes killing American citizens.

That’s right, a sort of bounty system operates in New Mexico which, under a union program, pays officers up to $500 dollars per fatal shooting.

For their part, the union has claimed the up to $500 is used to help officers cope with the “stress” of the situation.

An Associated Press article revealed some of the details of this shocking bounty type system.

    Mayor Richard Berry called Friday for an immediate halt to the practice, which was first reported in the Albuquerque Journal during a week in which Albuquerque police shot and killed two men. Since 2010, Albuquerque police have shot 23 people, 18 fatally.

    “The administration has nothing to do with how the union conducts their business,” Berry said in a statement, “but I was shocked yesterday when made aware of this practice. I cannot stand aside and condone this practice. It needs to end now.”

    Although the union said the payments were intended to help the officers decompress from a stressful situation, one victim’s father and a criminologist said it sounded more like a reward program.

    “I think it might not be a bounty that they want it for,” said Mike Gomez, the father of an unarmed man killed by police last year, “but in these police guys’ minds, they know they are going to get that money. So when they get in a situation, it’s who’s going to get him first? Who’s going to shoot him first?”
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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 11:44:23 AM »
Now let us compare and contrast this against the "Bounty" Scandal that the Saints face playing football.  Where is the outrage from the MSM?

What if there were a fund to pay people that shot cops to help them deal with the stress/legal issues of a fatal shooting? 

What happened to our country?  Unions anyone?
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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 01:12:57 PM »
Now let us compare and contrast this against the "Bounty" Scandal that the Saints face playing football.  Where is the outrage from the MSM?

What if there were a fund to pay people that shot cops to help them deal with the stress/legal issues of a fatal shooting? 

What happened to our country?  Unions anyone?
 
It would be much more stressful and expensive....maybe triple the bounty?
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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2012, 11:47:19 PM »
“I think it might not be a bounty that they want it for,” said Mike Gomez, the father of an unarmed man killed by police last year, “but in these police guys’ minds, they know they are going to get that money. So when they get in a situation, it’s who’s going to get him first? Who’s going to shoot him first?”

$500... really?  Is an honest, hard-working, "doin' it for the right reasons" police officer going to risk criminal prosecution, civil prosecution, his career, his retirement, his livelihood, his ability to support a family, his reputation, even his freedom all for $500?  I don't think so.  It's tragic to think that there are cops out there who would view this like bonus points in a video game... but I know there are probably a few.  For the most part, however, I think a fatal OIS is the LAST thing a cop wants to deal with.


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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 12:27:43 PM »
I read all about what happened to the CCW holder in at the CostCo in NV....gunned down by two officers while not touching  his carry weapon.  I read how they immediately searched his house and tried to plant a gun they found there at the scene, but photos had already been taken.....

I watched a video of cops making a raid on the brother of someone they had as a suspect.  The guy was ex-military, and turned out to be clean, and ended up at the end of the  hallway running from the front door riddled with bullets while holding a rifle which was still on 'safe'...  I remember in that video a cop not a member of the entry team at the door, but standing in the front yard rushing onto the porch when the shooting started just to hold his pistol around the door frame and send a magazine full down range....

With mindsets like that, I cannot ever "feel good' about anything that makes it easier for police to shoot first and ask questions later.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
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"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 02:02:40 PM »
I read all about what happened to the CCW holder in at the CostCo in NV....gunned down by two officers while not touching  his carry weapon.  I read how they immediately searched his house and tried to plant a gun they found there at the scene, but photos had already been taken.....

I watched a video of cops making a raid on the brother of someone they had as a suspect.  The guy was ex-military, and turned out to be clean, and ended up at the end of the  hallway running from the front door riddled with bullets while holding a rifle which was still on 'safe'...  I remember in that video a cop not a member of the entry team at the door, but standing in the front yard rushing onto the porch when the shooting started just to hold his pistol around the door frame and send a magazine full down range....

With mindsets like that, I cannot ever "feel good' about anything that makes it easier for police to shoot first and ask questions later.



+1

Also why I have a personal peeve toward the term "Law ENFORCEMENT Officer" (although I do use it because it is a generalized and recognizable term) because it implies preemptive motivations on the part of both the officers and agencies.

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en·force   [en-fawrs, -fohrs]  
verb (used with object), en·forced, en·forc·ing.
1. to put or keep in force; compel obedience to: to enforce a rule; Traffic laws will be strictly enforced.
2. to obtain by force or compulsion.
3. to impose upon a person: The doctor enforced a strict dietary regimen.
4. to support by force: to enforce one's rights as a citizen.
5. to impress or urge forcibly; lay stress upon: He enforced his argument by adding details.


Even the example cited in definition one above is skewed a tad bit....... ie: You can't really enforce traffic laws by mere presence. The people must willfully either obey or disobey and then deal with the consequences if they disobey and get caught. An officer can not force one to comply with traffic laws (just like any other law).
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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 02:12:32 PM »
Cops are the guys who bring home lost kids.
LEO's are jack booted thugs.
When a cop is killed in the line of duty it is a loss to his community in particular and society in general.
LEO's ?
Not so much.

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Re: Police Officers Paid After Shooting American Citizens
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2012, 09:48:41 PM »
This one dovetails well enough to the OP.. "More" Unions, anyone???

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/mikeshedlock/2012/08/13/hermosa_beach_police_chief_defends_100000_union_meter_maids/page/full/


Hermosa Beach Police Chief Defends $100,000 Union Meter Maids

    Mike Shedlock


No price of labor is too high if you are a supporter of public unions. Here is a case in point: In Hermosa Beach California, Police Chief Steve Johnson and Councilman Howard Fishman defended $100,000 meter maid positions on the grounds “When you outsource, you take away union jobs.”

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Imagine in your minds eye, what you would see if you laid eyes on one of these meter maids..
I bet we see the same one..

Note that meter maid positions do not require much more than the ability to drive a standard transmission car and have a high school diploma.

Please consider Hermosa Beach Meter Maids Make Nearly $100K

When contemplating the many reasons cities in California and elsewhere are venturing closer to bankruptcy, look no further than the relatively lucrative and often-unjustifiable salaries bestowed on municipal employees – and the lofty pension benefits attached to the high pay.

One of the latest examples comes from the California coastal city of Hermosa Beach, where some community service staffers who collect money from parking meters and manage their operations – positions once widely known as “meter maids” – are making nearly $100,000 a year in total compensation, according to city documents.

There are 10 parking enforcement employees for the 1.3-square-mile beach city southwest of downtown Los Angeles, and they pull down some disproportionate compensation, considering their job functions. In fact, the two highest-earning employees for fiscal year 2011-12 are estimated to have made more than $92,000 and $93,000, respectively, according to city documents provided by Patrick “Kit” Bobko, one of five council members and who also serves as mayor pro tem. Those two have supervisory roles. The other eight parking-enforcement employees make from $67,367 to $84,267 in total compensation.

Bobko also wrote in a memo that the retirement costs for these 10 employees “from [fiscal year 2011-12] through their retirement age at 62 was nearly $1.6 million, and the medical costs for these employees from this fiscal year to their retirement at age 62 would be $1,353,827.” Excluding salaries, the [retirement] contributions and medical costs for the 10 employees performing parking enforcement will cost, on average, nearly $300,000 apiece.”

Aside from the personnel costs, there has been criticism from Hermosa Beach Treasurer David Cohn that parking meter operations have been mismanaged. Cohn cited nonfunctioning parking meters, a backlog in disputed parking tickets and problems with the accounting for revenue.

Bobko is pushing a plan to outsource the city’s parking enforcement operations, which he says will save money, reduce maintenance costs, relieve the city of accounting functions related to parking enforcement, increase efficiency and, perhaps most importantly, increase revenue and “reduce the city’s pension and salary obligations.”

There has been opposition to the outsourcing proposal from Hermosa Beach’s Police Chief Steve Johnson and Councilman Howard Fishman. Both expressed concerns about letting go full-time city staff. Bobko accurately characterized the resistance: “When you outsource, you take away union jobs.”

As I have said repeatedly, the goal of public unions is to little or no work for enormous sums of money at taxpayer expense.

In these trying times, one might think that public union supporters would back off of ludicrous demands, at least a tiny bit.

However, statements by union nutcase supporters like Police Chief Steve Johnson and Councilman Howard Fishman show the only solution is the complete elimination  of public unions.

If that sounds harsh, please note that even FDR would agree.

Message From FDR

Inquiring minds are reading snips from a Letter from FDR Regarding Collective Bargaining of Public Unions written August 16, 1937.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations.

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees.

A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable.
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