I.D.ing the murderer

[puff357]

It occurred to me that having more people carrying concealed could pose a problem. Say your walking down the street and you here two shots near by. You turn and see and see a man shoot twice and there are three people laying on the ground.

 What do you do?

[Solus]

Shoot twice into the air or the ground?

I try hard not to make assumptions.

    "... You know how Fair Witnesses behave."
       "Well ... no, I don't. I've never had any dealings with Fair Witnesses."
        "So? Perhaps you weren't aware of it. Anne!"
        Anne was seated on the springboard; she turned her head. Jubal called out, "That new house on the far hilltop - can you see what color they've painted it?"
        Anne looked in the direction in which Jubal was pointing, and answered, "It's white on this side."

- Stranger in a Strange Land, pp 130


The last time we had a similar discussion, I decided the best course is to yell   POLICE and observe how the armed actors react.

[MikeBjerum]

Are you in threat of death or serious bodily harm?

Regardless, take cover!

If you are threatened - Take appropriate action, and that action can only be defined at the time of the situation from you view point;
If you are not threatened - Do not insert yourself into the situation;
Did you witness the beginning of the situation - Act only on facts and do not assume.

[BBJohnnyT]

If the shooter is not turning his attention at you, I would flee and take cover.  Then I'd call 911 once I'm out of harm's way.  I would never involve myself in a situation like this.

[BBJohnnyT]

The last time we had a similar discussion, I decided the best course is to yell   POLICE and observe how the armed actors react.

As m58 stated, why risk drawing attention to yourself and inserting yourself into a deadly situation?  Is it worth it?

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[tombogan03884]

I agree with BBJohnnyT and M58.
A CCW lets you carry to protect yourself, it doesn't make you a cop, and it doesn't give you psychic powers.

[MikeBjerum]

Quote from: Solus on Today at 10:16:33 am
The last time we had a similar discussion, I decided the best course is to yell   POLICE and observe how the armed actors react.

BBJohnnyT pulled this one out that I had missed:  Unless you are an officer of the law NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do this!  You are not an officer, it sends the wrong message to everyone around you - good and bad, and it is illegal!  It is hard to defend our purpose for carry as an ordinary citizen when the anti's can pull facts like this our to fuel their rants that we are all Dirty Harry wanna be's.

[GASPASSERDELUXE]

Quote from: Solus on Today at 10:16:33 am
The last time we had a similar discussion, I decided the best course is to yell   POLICE and observe how the armed actors react.

BBJohnnyT pulled this one out that I had missed:  Unless you are an officer of the law NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do this!  You are not an officer, it sends the wrong message to everyone around you - good and bad, and it is illegal!  It is hard to defend our purpose for carry as an ordinary citizen when the anti's can pull facts like this our to fuel their rants that we are all Dirty Harry wanna be's.

Perhaps it would be better to yell "the police are on they" or "they have been called" that would probably bypass any legal problems of being mistaken for an LEO by yelling "Police".

[MikeBjerum]

Perhaps it would be better to yell "the police are on they" or "they have been called" that would probably bypass any legal problems of being mistaken for an LEO by yelling "Police".

Shut up, grab your loved ones, and take cover!

Based on the description it is not your fight ... yet.  Do not insert yourself!

[Solus]

Perhaps it would be better to yell "the police are on they" or "they have been called" that would probably bypass any legal problems of being mistaken for an LEO by yelling "Police".

Just following the advice of Mas Ayoob.   You aren't identifying yourself as a Police Officer, you are calling for one.

As long as we are here, I'll post my feelings on not getting involved...  I've not mentioned it in previous threads where it came up...

Maybe my post on the discussion of the Warsaw Ghetto has it fresh in my mind.

I would probably be asking for a world of hurt and hard times, but I simply could not not get involved if I was in a position to stop further killings.

I could not "get safe" and leave others to die if I possessed the skill and opportunity to to save lives.

A lot of folks in Germany got safe and let the NAZI's take the Jews...and many of them were the Jews themselves.

We have often talked of Wolves, Sheep and Sheep Dogs and picture ourselves as the Sheep Dogs, but the Sheep Dogs don't get safe.

A few days ago, I came across an old post that spoke to a situation where a gunman was robbing a store with a gun pointed at the clerk.  The comment was that the poster would not get involved unless the gunman shot the clerk.

I simply could not do that.  If someone presents a gun in the commission of a crime, I take that as intent to do serious to fatal harm along with the ability and opportunity.  If I have a good shot, I'd take it.

Even though I don't shave any more, I do look at myself in the mirror and I'd not know that I could do that if I hesitated or got safe and the clerk was killed or injured.

Yeah, I'm not a cop so it's not my job, but, for me, it is my moral responsibility. 

It might not be the smart or wise thing to do, but, for me, it is the right thing to do.

  Let me state that I am only pointing out how I would make my own moral decisions, and not condemning any who would make a different one.