So when is US gonna invade Libya?

[GASPASSERDELUXE]

Not necessarily... I know someone recently in Afghanistan who said they had contractors working right alongside GIs.

I"LL bet my next SS check the contractors in Libya were not the same as in Afghanistan.












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[tombogan03884]

I"LL bet my next SS check the contractors in Libya were not the same as in Afghanistan.
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Not the same company, but the same standards, or lack of. They are contracted through the State Department.
Ran across this earlier.
It's my understanding that Marines have not been responsible for Embassy protection for a few years now.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/12/Where-Were-the-Marines?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+September+12%2C+2012&utm_campaign=20120912_m113482363_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+September+12%2C+2012&utm_term=More


Early reports of the militant attacks on the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya that killed our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans offer a confusing picture of the facts surrounding these murders.

CBS News is reporting that Ambassador Stevens suffocated to death while two Marines and an embassy staffer were shot to death. CBS also reported that more Marines were being sent to Libya.  But these reports raise more questions than they answer:

    Military officials told CBS News an anti-terrorism team of U.S. Marines was being deployed to Libya to help secure U.S. interests following the attack. The State Department said, however, that no Americans were remaining at the facility in Benghazi. State officials would not confirm how many Americans were evacuated, or to where....

    Stevens died of suffocation, while two U.S. Marines sent to Benghazi when the clash erupted were shot and killed by well-armed protesters. It was not immediately clear whether the Marines were part of Stevens' security detail. The American whose death was confirmed on Tuesday also died of a gunshot wound. He was identified by the State Department on Wednesday as Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith.

Security at the consulate was apparently provided by Libyan nationals hired by the United States. While security for American embassies is typically provided by our own Marines, the two Marines reported killed in yesterday's attacks appear not to have been stationed at the embassy, but were sent there from another unknown location as the violence erupted. There is also no indication if these two Marines were the only American military personnel on site at the time of Ambassador Stevens's death.

All reports indicate that the security forces at the consulate were overwhelmed by the size of the militant crowds and offered no resistance as they stormed the building, looted it, and killed the four Americans.

As the facts surrounding the destruction of the American consulate and death of Ambassador Stevens become known, investigators will focus on these questions: Did the State Department provide adequate security for our embassy staff there? If not, why not?

And finally, the most important question of all: Where were the Marines?

Found this as well.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/12/Exclusive-Obama-Skipped-Intel-Briefings-Week-Before-Embassy-Attacks?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+September+12%2C+2012&utm_campaign=20120912_m113482363_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+September+12%2C+2012&utm_term=More

According to the White House calendar, there is no public record of President Barack Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing--known as the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB)--in the week leading up to the attacks on the U.S. embassy in Cairo and the murder of U.S. Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens and three American members of his staff:

9/6/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-06

9/7/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-07

9/8/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-08

9/9/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-09

9/10/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-10

9/11/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-11

The last time prior to the slayings that the White House calendar publicly confirms Mr. Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing was September 5th. (The White House did not provide an official public calendar for September 8-10.) Mr. Obama and Vice President Joe Biden met with Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta at 5:00 p.m. yesterday.

According to a recent study by the Government Accountability Institute, Mr. Obama has only attended 43.8 percent of his Presidential Daily Briefs in the first 1,225 days of his Administration.

[jaybet]

All agreed. Our embassy is our soil. We should have ARMED guards who can shoot anyone who is presenting a threat to the occupants. Anything less is a LOT less than what we offer every other country in the US.

Perhaps what we should now do is go kill all of the occupants of the Egyptian embassy in the US.  What? Doesn't make sense? Our people were killed ... that was an insult!!!!! It works when you insult Mohammad.

Killling innocents is never justified. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm in favor of  teaching them about the term, "retribution". Buyt only because I am so upset about the embassy killings. There is just NO justification.

[santahog]

Nothing is gonna happen, until maybe January or later, if Mittens is elected. Big maybe..
My suggestion is to start by waiting for the celebration in the Consulate and vaporizing it. It's ours anyway.. We won't be doing any real business for awhile there anyway..
At the same time, announce "1000 for 1", no more. Then level a city of about 4000. Come back on television and ask if they want to pursue this line of reasoning. End..
Each following death responded to by another 1000. No more talk. No press releases. Just do it ans shut up about it..
If we fight over there, we need to set up a beach head where the first Marines are buried. They pissed all over that one months ago now.. (And nothing from Obama, the hero of SEAL TEAM 6 and the Bin Laden raid..)

[Rastus]

So I read where our Ambassador snuck into Libya on a freighter and intefaced with the "freedom fighters" and supported them while the whole Quadaffi thing was going down.  This islamist radical thing was destined to bite the hand that helped feed them.  Why can otherwise rational people not see that?  They cannot see for lots of reasons...unmerited loyalty to a political party or cause, they think sticking their head in the sand will protect them and it will go away or they are just not mentally/emotionally capable to be responsible adults.

Why would islam not bite the hand that fed it???islam is based on overthrow and death to all who oppose.  I say that because if you have a retort to, "Why would islam not bite the hand that fed it?" as in why would islamist not bite the hand that feeds them, then you are erroneously applying our values and principles upon the islamist that they do not share with you....listen up here...they do not share our values and they want to kill us if we will not bow down and be subjugated.  It's a pretty simple concept with scads of examples.

Apparently the recent history (for some of us) of the fall of Iran at the hands of these people meant nothing towards most Americans in the context of the Iranian event being an educational tool to be able to clearly see what the end game is.  That ongoing total lack of discernment on our countrymen's part is worse than just being a bad sign...it's not a sign it's our future and those who can discern a threat will suffer at the same hands who dish out suffering to those who cannot discern a threat when we have a nation lead by people who either lack discernment or who would rather have our nation changed to reflect the values of islam.

Col. Quadaffi was a bad guy no doubt, but what happened to the "Why can't we all just get along?" theme of the leftists progressives when we picked sides on a guy who was the obvious best choice to stay in power vs. the islamist and who (Col. Quadaffi) had turned around and acceded to our demands?  So we also turned our back on the Egyptian leaders.  I guess the progessive's misplaced altar of foolish ideals trumps reality.......and I wonder if the Syrian thing is not the Russians drawing a line we should have drawn?  

I guess our sheep countrymen will be like the Lebanese who didn't get it for a generation until the horror that they were being wiped out was knocking on kicking down their door.  Same thing in Lebanon then that we have here now....bowing down at the damned altar of tolerance and being self-engrossed in having an inflated and foolish pride on open borders.  After that, then there was death if you would not subject yourself to islam....by the time the "Christians" formed militias to protect themselves Lebanon was lost.  Now when the news media talked about the Lebanese "Christians" that actually meant all people who did not agree to islam taking over.  I think that we are following the Lebanese model.

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[tombogan03884]

Another point that's being glossed over or ignored , the media reports that the Embassies were over run and looted.
They do not mention that that includes the CIA stations.
Every US asset in those countries, at least, many world wide, is now compromised.
The embassies includes the code rooms, America now has no truly secure cypher system for classified information.
Even if the staff destroyed equipment, there is no way to be sure what was destroyed and protected, and what the islamists can piece together from whats left.

[Rastus]

Good point about the intelligence compromise. 

I am resigned to the fact that instead of holding off this hoard we will capitulate to the point where we lose an American city or two...or perhaps cave in totally to blackmail of losing a city.

So...I guess instead of action that down the road we are facing war or being wiped from the face of the earth.

It's looking like we're going to go down without really firing another shot...as it were.  I'm thinking BHO wins re-election and it continues to get worse politically, economically and with foreign relations.

[fightingquaker13]

Lets do keep a little perspective here. The Libyan government (for what's worth, probably about as much as Kharzi in Afghanistan) is pro-western. The great majority of the people don't give a shat, and just want to get on with their lives. However, the revolution wasn't organized around a set of ideals, it was just anti-Gaddafi. They took all comers, including the jihadis. Now that the dust has settled, they're jockeying for power. I think this attack was aimed at the government in Tripoli as much as it was at us. Ditto in Egypt, Yemen and Tunisia. This is an Al Queda play. The Islamascists  want to discredit these new regimes and alienate them from western support, so they can gain power in the chaos. By dropping bombs we play into their hands. I think we need to use an icepick rather than a sledge hammer here.
FQ13

[Rastus]

That response really confirms we are doomed.

The Iranian government, for what it's worth is about as pro-western as...it's ideals were to get rid of the Shah who was a bad guy...the people love us, they really do.....that fits as good here for Iran then as Libya now....blah, blah, blah.....

[jnevis]

That response really confirms we are doomed.

The Iranian government, for what it's worth is about as pro-western as...it's ideals were to get rid of the Shah who was a bad guy...the people love us, they really do.....that fits as good here for Iran then as Libya now....blah, blah, blah.....

You're close

I think this attack was aimed at the government in Tripoli as much as it was at us. Ditto in Egypt, Yemen and Tunisia. This is an Al Queda Iranian Republican Guard Corps play. The Islamascists  want to discredit these new regimes and alienate them from western support, so they can gain power in the chaos. By dropping bombs we play into their hands. I think we need to use an icepick rather than a sledge hammer here.
FQ13

The Iranian government has a stated goal to unite the world under Arab rule, and the IRGCis teh "Foriegn Office" of the government with units stationed abroad to incite Arab revloution.  Hello?? Arab Spring???  Coincidence?