So when is US gonna invade Libya?

[fightingquaker13]

That response really confirms we are doomed.

The Iranian government, for what it's worth is about as pro-western as...it's ideals were to get rid of the Shah who was a bad guy...the people love us, they really do.....that fits as good here for Iran then as Libya now....blah, blah, blah.....

Again you miss the boat Rastus. Iran is exactly why we should be surgical in our response (note I still intend a lethal response, just a targeted one). We screwed the pooch in our response in 1979, lets not do it again. Our enemies want a clash of civilizations. Why give it to them, when most Arabs don't care about politics more than most Americans unless you give them a reason to get pissed off? Yeah, they don't like us, so what? Its a long way from that to strapping on a suicide vest. Think of Libya like the Russian Revolution. Only in this scenario we backed the Mensheviks. They're in power now. The Bolsheviks (here the jihadis) aren't happy and want to see the Mensheviks gone. So, they stir up trouble to try to get us to do something rash that will discredit the government with us,  and cause us to act rashly creating civilian deaths and outrage, and cast the Bolsheviks as the legitimate defenders of the people. Its a play as old as history. Just because someone dangles a baited hook in your face Rastus, it doesn't mean you have to swallow it.
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[fightingquaker13]

You're close

The Iranian government has a stated goal to unite the world under Arab rule, and the IRGCis teh "Foriegn Office" of the government with units stationed abroad to incite Arab revloution.  Hello?? Arab Spring???  Coincidence?

Actually, the Iranians aren't Arabs, they're Persians, and will kick yoiur ass if you suggest otherwise. Also, they're Shiites, and they get along with Sunnis about as well as Lutherens and Catholics in the 1600s (which would be an advance for both of them). About the only thing the Iranians and Sunni Arabs agree on is that they hate us. But their internal divisions make them weak.
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[Pathfinder]

FQ, glad to see your time in the FL wastelands didn't dull your stupidity. It is abundantly clear that these were coordinated para military attacks using staged "protests" as cover. The second Benghazi attack specifically targeted the "safe house" annex.

And it turns out the US Ambassador in Egypt had denied the Marines guarding the embassy any ammo. Oh, yeah, she was also conveniently in DC during the Cairo attacks.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ, glad to see your time in the FL wastelands didn't dull your stupidity. It is abundantly clear that these were coordinated para military attacks using staged "protests" as cover. The second Benghazi attack specifically targeted the "safe house" annex.

And it turns out the US Ambassador in Egypt had denied the Marines guarding the embassy any ammo. Oh, yeah, she was also conveniently in DC during the Cairo attacks.

That's my point Path. It was a coordinated attack designed to get us so pissed off we drop bombs and alienate the people from the governments that "support" us and put the radicals in charge. This isn't about a movie, and it isn't about us, its about Al Queda taking control in these countries. Why dance to their tune? What part of this do you fail to grasp? If you ever want to play poker for money, I'll bring the chips and dip, because God knows between you and Rastus, I'll be walking away a lot richer if you're this easily bluffed.
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[tombogan03884]

FQ, your last several posts show that you have not been paying attention.
You therefore don't know what you are talking about.
I'll give you credit for having had other priorities and run it down for you.
The Muslim Brotherhood has been a terrorist group since at least the 1930's, they were the driving force behind the Arab spring, and their candidates won elections in Libya and Egypt.
There were also large scale MB uprisings in Yemen and Tunisia
Flashback to when the Lockerbie bomber was released from prison, Qaddafi pretty much ignored his return, it was the people, who would later comprise the Muslim brotherhood's rebellion who formed the crowds welcomed him home.
The fact that he, a Libyan intelligence officer, was surrendered in the first place shows that Col. Q had turned away from his old policies.
The Muslim Brother hood is connected to the "Haqqani network", Sec State Clinton's senior aid has connections to HN, Obama honored her at a Ramadan dinner last month. Last week HN was added to the list of organizations supporting terrorism.
Now our Embassies are attacked in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Tunisia.
As for Iran, yes they are Persians, not Arabs, they are Shiites, not Sunni's.
That has absolutely no bearing on the FACT that the "Quds Force" (The special Ops arm of the Republican Guard ) has been cooperating with, and advising any Muslim terror group in the world at least since the early 80's when they formed Hezbollah, and advised the Sunni group that attacked the Marine Barracks, and blew up the US Embassy, (twice ).
Remember the reports of contacts between Iran and Bin Laden ?
How about the Quds Force instructors advising Iraqi SUNNI bomb makers, remember those new style IED's with the explosively formed perpetrators to counter the armored Humvees ?
There was a report in the MSM just a couple weeks ago, The Iraqi Govt bitching about Iranian agents still stirring up trouble and inciting bombings.
95+% of current Mid East and South Asian unrest could be completely cured by nuking Tehran.

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[Rastus]

And Libyans are not Arabs.  Call them and Arab and they will kick your ass.  They are North African traders and fancy themselves as quite sophisticated traders having been an outlet across the Sahara in bygone times to ship goods north to Europe. 

The Arabs in Libya are the ones who came in and overthrew Quadaffi and did not leave.  They seem to be running things for now.  And yes they are aligned with Iran...like no kiddin'...shazam...bazinga...wow....light bulb...hmmm.....how do you fix that....golly...wow...

Jnevis I keep hoping the simple minded here in the US can connect the dots and at least use their head 10 or 15 minutes a day.  You are exactly right and in posts earlier in the year my concerns about Iranian satellite states (Tunisia, Libya and Egypt) were scoffed at.   Syria is not being destabilized without Iranian help either.  If Syria goes to the muslim brotherhood then we'll see the noose tighten up in Saudi, Qatar, and, eventually Turkey before really picking up steam.

[tombogan03884]

You didn't hear any scoffing from me Rastus, you may like that little FN pop gun instead of a 1911, but we absolutely agree on foreign affairs.

[fightingquaker13]

And Libyans are not Arabs.  Call them and Arab and they will kick your ass.  They are North African traders and fancy themselves as quite sophisticated traders having been an outlet across the Sahara in bygone times to ship goods north to Europe. 

The Arabs in Libya are the ones who came in and overthrew Quadaffi and did not leave.  They seem to be running things for now.  And yes they are aligned with Iran...like no kiddin'...shazam...bazinga...wow....light bulb...hmmm.....how do you fix that....golly...wow...

Jnevis I keep hoping the simple minded here in the US can connect the dots and at least use their head 10 or 15 minutes a day.  You are exactly right and in posts earlier in the year my concerns about Iranian satellite states (Tunisia, Libya and Egypt) were scoffed at.   Syria is not being destabilized without Iranian help either.  If Syria goes to the muslim brotherhood then we'll see the noose tighten up in Saudi, Qatar, and, eventually Turkey before really picking up steam.

Here, shockingly, I agree with Rastus. The Iranians have had their hands in Syria (via Lebanon, through their support of Hezbollah). Its why they want to see Assad fall, or at least be crippled, as the Syrians are the only ones who can tell their Hezbollah puppets, "No". They also have ambitions on the Gulf. Its what the Iran Iraq war was over, and why Bush senior was smarter than his idiot son. HW Bush realized that Iraq was a buffer state between Iran and the Gulf. He also realized that if a majority Shiite regime was formed in Iraq, it would potentially ally with Iran, so Saadam, bastard though he was, was useful as he led a Sunni government. Junior didn't get this. So now we see Iran aiming at the Gulf, but understand that it will be a hostile takeover, as the average Sunni fanatic would as soon kill a Shiite as a Christian. Not saying they can't make an entente, but they still hate each other. It is a point of weakness. We need to act surgically to get rid of the guys coordinating this, not level whole cities, or we will play into their hands. I have little faith in BO, but now is the time to fight smart and quitely, to eliminate the AQ and Iranian threats, and let the rest sort it out.
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[tombogan03884]

" Iraq was a buffer state between Iran and the Gulf."
Have you been drinking ? Or maybe dropping a little acid ?
FQ, now, right this minute, go to a map and take a REALLY good look at the Persian Gulf.
Come back and tell me what you see along the entire right side of it.

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The only time a marine should not have ammo is on the way home from a mission.   if they can't use/handle thier weapon safely.  They should not be a marine.