600,000 - that's a bunch of M9s

[tombogan03884]

The only practical choices are .45 or larger.
Regardless of how well .40 may perform in the civilian world, it will fail the military for the same reason 9MM does.
They are restricted to FMJ ammo, even .357 or 10MM might be iffy at best.
Without the option of expanding bullets the best rule of thumb is that bigger holes bleed faster.

[TAB]

We should just say screw nato and screw hague and go with 45 jhps   

[tombogan03884]

We should just say screw nato and screw hague and go with 45 jhps   

It doesn't happen often but I agree with TAB on this.
If we are going to issue 21st century fire arms why  keep feeding them 19th century bullets ?

[fightingquaker13]

It doesn't happen often but I agree with TAB on this.
If we are going to issue 21st century fire arms why  keep feeding them 19th century bullets ?

Again Tom, you show yourself to be a culturally insensative jackass. I mean our peace loving enemies strictly abide by the Geneva and Hague conventions, therefore we must....., um, oh, wait........errr. Seriously, these treaties were strictly quid pro quo, I'll honor them with Russia, but these camel fuzzers?
 Speer Gold Dots in .45 anyone? Or at least 147 grain Remington Golden Sabres in 9mm?
FQ 13 who wouldn't want to answer the question "What's in your magazine".

[tombogan03884]

Again Tom, you show yourself to be a culturally insensative jackass. I mean our peace loving enemies strictly abide by the Geneva and Hague conventions, therefore we must....., um, oh, wait........errr. Seriously, these treaties were strictly quid pro quo, I'll honor them with Russia, but these camel fuzzers?
 Speer Gold Dots in .45 anyone? Or at least 147 grain Remington Golden Sabres in 9mm?
FQ 13 who wouldn't want to answer the question "What's in your magazine".

Culturally insensitive ?
Damn straight, I wouldn't honor them with Russia either.
I'll take every advantage I can get.
Wars aren't fought for "honor" or "glory", they are fought to kill, cripple or maim your enemies.

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[fightingquaker13]

Culturally insensitive ?
Damn straight, I wouldn't honor them with Russia either.
I'll take every advantage I can get.
Wars aren't fought for "honor" or "glory", they are fought to kill, cripple or maim your enemies.

Damn straight! I mean Napalm is ok, but hollow points are taboo? WTF?
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Hate to tell you this, because it's down right depressing, but we haven't used napalm since Vietnam.
Hell, they won't even use most of the good land mines any more. 

[TAB]

The gremens wanted to ban shot guns after ww1  seems they were scared to hell of them in the trenchs.   I see no reason not to use expanding bullet.   even more so now with urban fighting where civis are in the line of fire.  Less likly to over penatrate then ball  or ap/api.   now there are alot of evil things out there. That should not be used.  Expanding ammo is not one of them.

[tombogan03884]

The gremens wanted to ban shot guns after ww1  seems they were scared to hell of them in the trenchs.   I see no reason not to use expanding bullet.   even more so now with urban fighting where civis are in the line of fire.  Less likly to over penatrate then ball  or ap/api.   now there are alot of evil things out there. That should not be used. Expanding ammo is not one of them.

Other than Nerve gas, germs, and Nukes I really can't think of any.

[TAB]

White phosporos ammo used on people.