600,000 - that's a bunch of M9s

[tombogan03884]

Willy Peter will make you a believer.

[fightingquaker13]

Agreed. Dead or maimed is dead or maimed. The only reason gas was banned was that it made it too hard to fight and caused panic. This cut both ways and all sides decided to ban the stuff simply because it got in the way of fighting a war. The humanitarian aspect was just window dressing. Germs and nukes, well they're a bad idea because of the long term down range consequences. Again, nothing to with humanitarian stuff. Hell we killed a lot more Japanese civilians with firebombs than we ever did with nukes, it just took longer.
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[GeorgeCook]

.......My understanding is that the .45s are going to Recon, SF, SEALS and CSARS and Delta.........

Confirmed on Recon using 1911s. The Crossfit box/gym I go to is owned by two Recon guys. They found out I shoot in competitions and we got to talking about gear. Naturally, the conversation drifted to what they use and they told me about their 1911s. Interesting stuff because I thought only Delta used them but not so....

[tombogan03884]

Agreed. Dead or maimed is dead or maimed. The only reason gas was banned was that it made it too hard to fight and caused panic. This cut both ways and all sides decided to ban the stuff simply because it got in the way of fighting a war. The humanitarian aspect was just window dressing. Germs and nukes, well they're a bad idea because of the long term down range consequences. Again, nothing to with humanitarian stuff. Hell we killed a lot more Japanese civilians with firebombs than we ever did with nukes, it just took longer.
FQ13

I made the point somewhere else that the 250,000 casualties total from both A bombs was a bargain compared to the projected casualties of 1 million US and 50+ % of the Japanese population  if we invaded.

[fightingquaker13]

I made the point somewhere else that the 250,000 casualties total from both A bombs was a bargain compared to the projected casualties of 1 million US and 50+ % of the Japanese population  if we invaded.

One of the many reasons why "unconditional surrender" is a bad policy.The way to end a war is when the intial causus belli has been resolved in your favor. We could have been out of Afghanistan in less than a year, but W., and now BO, seem determined to keep us there till it looks like California, which will be never. We could have cut a deal with the German general staff and driven the Sovs back to their borders. Granted they would have had to purge the Nazis and end the concentration camps and the Nuremburg laws, but do you think Model and Doernitz wouldn't have jumped on that? How many tens of thousands, not mention the Cold War could we have spared? Japan is a trickier case as they were fantical little SOBs, but they sure came to Jesus quick post war. It makes you wonder, but hey, screw em, they started it, and there were even mutinies when the surrender came.
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[tombogan03884]

Unconditional surrender is frequently the best policy.
We had a "negotiated settlement" with Saddam in 91, that worked out real well didn't it ?
We allowed Germany to surrender if Kaiser Wilhelm abdicated and they were back as soon as they could breed another generation of troops.
It's been 67 years since the end of that war, 20 years since reunification, and they still are not acting warlike.
The best way to achieve lasting peace is to beat your opponent so badly that any survivors will tell tales for generations, the way the Central Asians talk about Timor the Lame, Attilla, and the Khans.
Kill the men enslave the children and rape the women then ride their horses through the burning villages.
Remember what Genghis Khan said in Bukhara.

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i-am-the-punishment-of-god-if-you-had-not/761295.html

[JoeG]

Its still a piece of crap and has frame rail separation issues, but I guess that it does not matter and as our current Seinor enlisted leader would say. " It's good enough "
Mike Mc

I thought they had fixed the cracking problems and now they can demonstrate 20-30,000 round life?

i keep thinking about buying one just cause it the military pistol and it is good for my son to be familiar with it, but every time I go to get a new gun I can't bring myself to pick that one over something I think is a better gun with more uses. I don't need an oversized heavy 9mm service gun in DA. And now my son has shot enough different guns to be able to adapt and overcome if required.

It did trigger the whole size adjustable 9 mm service pistol phase for those LEOs that need a gun to fit a smaller/weaker hand as it is still a large gun even though "easier to handle on recoil" than 1911. So we can thank it for that.

I have noticed more folks shooting them at USPSA matches lately.

I think that if our service members were actually allowed to carry on a daily basis then they would move to a lighter more advanced model. Funny how we don't trust our active duty folks to go armed routinely.

[Swamp Yankee]

Hey Jo
They may have fixed the issue with the new ones coming in the system, but the ones we have are still being inspected twice a year for it.

[jnevis]

I thought they had fixed the cracking problems and now they can demonstrate 20-30,000 round life?

They did, by telling the SEALs to quit using WAY over spec ammo.  The "test" batch used were basically proof pressure, not SAAMI/DoD spec. 

The other thing that happened is the locking block fails when not properly fitted.  Most unit level armorers were just putting new blocks in without fitting them, causing the new on to flex and fail, possibly damaging the slide too.  If there is to much play, or it isn't aligned laterally, it will, not might, fail.  For a while Beretta was not letting unit armorers replace the blocks.  It had to be returned to Beretta for that reason.  THey now allow depot armorers/gunsmiths do it, ut not unit armorers.

I think that if our service members were actually allowed to carry on a daily basis then they would move to a lighter more advanced model. Funny how we don't trust our active duty folks to go armed routinely.

The pistol was never intended to be the primary weapon.  That is why they are not "standard issue."  MOre an more they are becoming required since everybody is doing CGB now, not just SpecWar.  Therefore you need more pistols to give to everybody else.  All Security/Police types carry M9s, along with Aircrew in larger planes, the rest Sig P228/M11s.

Hey Jo
They may have fixed the issue with the new ones coming in the system, but the ones we have are still being inspected twice a year for it.

More for the locking block issure, see above.  Some blocks seem to wear more on one side causing the same cracking as it not being fitted correctly.

[JoeG]

Hey Jo
They may have fixed the issue with the new ones coming in the system, but the ones we have are still being inspected twice a year for it.

This is why I hang out here I always learn something.