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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 07:26:46 PM »
Reminds me of another post I read here....about a man being invited to dinner with Obama.  Obama gave one of the staff his bread and proceeded to give away the rest of his meal....

When the man tole Obama to stop, BHO's answer was...   You should have stopped me when I gave away your bread.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 07:46:07 PM »
MY GOOGLE - FU IS STRONG !!   ;D

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=7736.0

 I don't know the author, but I see the dark and foreboding truth in this brilliant parable.


 
"Dinner with Obama"
Once upon a time, I was invited to the White House for a private dinner with the President. I am a respected businessman, with a factory that produces memory chips for computers and portable electronics. There was some talk that my industry was being scrutinized by the administration, but I paid it no mind. I live in a free country. There's nothing that the government can do to me if I've broken no laws. My wealth was earned honestly, and an invitation to dinner with an American President is an honor.
I checked my coat, was greeted by the Chief of Staff, and joined the President in a yellow dining room.  We sat across from each other at a table draped in white linen. The Great Seal was embossed on the china. Uniformed staff served our dinner.  The meal was served, and I was startled when my waiter suddenly reached out, plucked a dinner roll off my plate, and began nibbling it as he walked back to the kitchen.   "Sorry about that," said the President. "Andrew is very hungry."
"I don't appreciate..." I began, but as I looked into the calm brown eyes across from me, I felt immediately guilty and petty.. It was just a dinner roll.  "Of course," I concluded, and reached for my glass. Before I could, however, another waiter reached forward, took the glass away and swallowed the wine in a single gulp.
"And his brother Eric is very thirsty." said the President.
I didn't say anything. The President is testing my compassion, I thought. I will play along. I don't want to seem unkind.  My plate was whisked away before I had tasted a bite.
"Eric's children are also quite hungry."
With a lurch, I crashed to the floor. My chair had been pulled out from under me. I stood,brushing myself off angrily, and watched as it was carried from the room.
 
"And their grandmother can't stand for long."
 
I excused myself, smiling outwardly, but inside feeling like a fool.  Obviously I had been invited to the White House to be sport for some game. I reached for my coat, to find that it had been taken. I turned back to the President. "Their grandfather doesn't like the cold."
 
I wanted to shout - that was my coat! But again, I looked at the placid smiling face of my host and decided I was being a poor sport. I spread my hands helplessly and chuckled. Then I felt my hip pocket and realized my wallet was gone. I excused myself and walked to a phone on an elegant side table. I learned shortly that my credit cards had been maxed out, my bank accounts emptied, my retirement and equity portfolios had vanished, and my wife had been thrown out of our home. Apparently, the waiters and their families were moving in. The President hadn't moved or spoken as I learned all this, but finally I lowered the phone into its cradle and turned to face him.
 
 "Andrew's whole family has made bad financial decisions. They haven't planned for retirement, and they need a house. They recently defaulted on a subprime mortgage. I told them they could have your home. They need it more than you do."
 
My hands were shaking. I felt faint. I stumbled back to the table and knelt on the floor. The President cheerfully cut his meat, ate his steak and drank his wine. I lowered my eyes and stared at the small grey circles on the tablecloth that were water drops. "By the way," He added, "I have just signed an Executive Order nationalizing your factories. I'm firing you as head of your business. I'll be operating the firm now for the benefit of all mankind.  There's a whole bunch of Erics and Andrews out there and they can't come to you for jobs groveling like beggars."
I looked up. The President dropped his spoon into the empty ramekin which had been his creme brulee. He drained the last drops of his wine.
 
As the table was cleared, he lit a cigarette and leaned back in his chair. He stared at me. I clung to the edge of the table as if were a ledge and I were a man hanging over an abyss.. I thought of the years behind me, of the life I had lived. The life I had earned with a lifetime of work, risk and struggle. Why was I punished? How had I allowed it to be taken? What game had I played and lost? I looked across the table and noticed with some surprise that there was no game board between us.  What had I done wrong?
As if answering the unspoken thought, the President suddenly cocked his head, locked his empty eyes to mine, and bared a million teeth, chuckling wryly as he folded his hands.
"You should have stopped me at the dinner roll," he said.

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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 11:26:10 AM »
There is a series of books, 13 in all, that have that theme at it's heart.  It is not evident till later in the series, but it is strong.
 
The series is the  Sword Of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Truth

The series is a LONG read and, in many aspects, will remind you of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series...not to say that if you like one you will like the other nor that if you dislike one you will dislike the other...there are just parallels.

The first book in the series is The Wizards First Rule.  It is available on Kindle. 


http://www.amazon.com/Wizards-First-Rule-Sword-Truth/dp/0765362643
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 01:15:47 PM »
Never liked Goodkind read the first couple  "Shanara" stories, they seemed like commercial rip offs of a bunch of other books .

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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 11:50:13 PM »
The principle does, the belief in the principle is very much defined by party affiliation.
I copied this from the NYT because the version on Democrat dot org was a PDF and I did not want to bother downloading it.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/09/04/us/politics/20120904-DNC-platform.html  (page 23 lower half )

We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms.

I believe in honest, open conversation too...

My firearm rights - F#%K WITH THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK!
 
You can say lots of bad things about pedophiles; but at least they drive slowly past schools.

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Re: Col West gets it..
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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2012, 04:13:28 PM »
Don't be uncharitable. They can have my guns, all of them, free of charge. They'll just get them empty. ;)
FQ13

PS I will again reccomend "An Enemy of the state" by F. Paul Wilson. Its Boook 1 of the La nague Chronicles and the ultimate libertarian sci-fi out there. It beats Heinlien all hollow for todays climate. I think the trilogy is availible in one volume. If you have a kindle or something order it. You won't be sorry.

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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2012, 10:48:36 AM »
I enjoyed the video, Col. West certainly can read the text of history as well as any southern preacher. I enjoy most of what I have seen of this man. I do hope that as time marches forward we all see more of him but I do hope that his fervor for the 2nd includes the rest of the amendments. I grow weary of people supporting only the parts they like...

As for the German letter thing...

I'm sure I don't have to point out that Germany's economy was in toilet after the great war. Not to mention the treaty of Versailles which helped cripple a country. Oh yeah and it also forbade them from firearms or other implements of war, and they had to give up large portions of their country, and pay the the countries that were attacked sums of money still thought to be unattainable. (440 Billion give or take) I don't think it would be hard to get anyone to buy into your greater scheme if it meant having your country, your rights, or your freedoms and liberty restored. 

Why is it no one can see trends? Why can't we as a race of mostly sophisticated homo-sapiens remember what happens when refuse our brethren rights that we claim to hold so dear.

"Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself."
~ John F. Kennedy

We cannot hold our liberties to ourselves, we can never claim something to be a god given right and than refuse others. These people are not fighting for religion.
 
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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2012, 11:09:51 AM »
I enjoyed the video, Col. West certainly can read the text of history as well as any southern preacher. I enjoy most of what I have seen of this man. I do hope that as time marches forward we all see more of him but I do hope that his fervor for the 2nd includes the rest of the amendments. I grow weary of people supporting only the parts they like...

As for the German letter thing...

I'm sure I don't have to point out that Germany's economy was in toilet after the great war. Not to mention the treaty of Versailles which helped cripple a country. Oh yeah and it also forbade them from firearms or other implements of war, and they had to give up large portions of their country, and pay the the countries that were attacked sums of money still thought to be unattainable. (440 Billion give or take) I don't think it would be hard to get anyone to buy into your greater scheme if it meant having your country, your rights, or your freedoms and liberty restored. 

Why is it no one can see trends? Why can't we as a race of mostly sophisticated homo-sapiens remember what happens when refuse our brethren rights that we claim to hold so dear.

"Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself."
~ John F. Kennedy

We cannot hold our liberties to ourselves, we can never claim something to be a god given right and than refuse others. These people are not fighting for religion.   

I need to pick a nit here.
The Treaty of Versailles did not prohibit the German people from owning firearms, it did not even prohibit the German Govt. from manufacturing arms.
What it did prohibit was offensive military weaponry, and limited the number of troops and heavier weaponry.
The purpose of the treaty was to place such restrictions and financial burdens on Germany that they could not again threaten the peace of Europe, much the same way we today place "sanctions" on various rogue states.
It failed miserably.
As early as 1923 Chief of the General Staff Hans Von Seekt was making deals with the Soviets to experiment with armored vehicles, and train Tankers, Pilots, and artillerists on Russian soil in exchange for tank factories and help with design work.
Troops in Russia were not counted against the strength of the Bundswehr, which was supposedly limited to 100,000 men.
Young men were trained to fly in Glider clubs that were unrestricted by the treaty but instilled the basic concepts of flight that allowed the Luftwaffe to seemingly spring up full grown .

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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2012, 12:32:56 PM »
Part V of the treaty begins with the preamble, "In order to render possible the initiation of a general limitation of the armaments of all nations, Germany undertakes strictly to observe the military, naval and air clauses which follow."[12]
German armed forces will number no more than 100,000 troops, and conscription will be abolished.
Enlisted men will be retained for at least 12 years; officers to be retained for at least 25 years.
German naval forces will be limited to 15,000 men, six battleships (no more than 10,000 tons displacement each), six cruisers (no more than 6,000 tons displacement each), 12 destroyers (no more than 800 tons displacement each) and 12 torpedo boats (no more than 200 tons displacement each). No submarines are to be included.[clarification needed]
The import and export of weapons is prohibited.
Poison gas, armed aircraft, tanks and armoured cars are prohibited.
Blockades on ships are prohibited.
Restrictions on the manufacture of machine guns (e.g. the Maxim machine gun) and rifles (e.g. Gewehr 98 rifles).


This may not spell out a complete ban but limit the number of firearms available to be made and prohibit the import of firearms and you have what amounts to a ban. Again small peanuts compared to the financial sanctions placed on the country. Americans would not tolerate this and yet we expect everyone else to abide?

The German's are a proud culture of people, with an abundant history of innovation and ingenuity. They felt oppressed, they felt as if they were under the thumb of the League of Nations and they took every loop hole they could to train and equip themselves to get out of it. They were misled by a party offering them social and economic freedoms. The Nazi's brought Germany very far from the hardships they endured after the great war and to this day I am sure there are those that are at least happy that the treaty was abandoned. 

Again I ask why are we surprised that whole nations of people oppressed by the same ridiculous notions that have failed time and time again rise up and fight? 
How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live.
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Re: Col West gets it..
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2012, 03:18:42 PM »
JdePietro, you are missing a major detail here. the harshness of the treaty was justified by the fact it was in response to Germany's 2nd aggressive war in 2 generations, one of the suggested clauses after the 3rd one was the deindustrialization of Germany.

 

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