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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 08:56:46 PM »
I have no idea how accurate this site is but here's a map.
http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103

Poke around the site and see what they have to say.

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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2012, 09:36:45 AM »
I have no idea how accurate this site is but here's a map.
http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103

Poke around the site and see what they have to say.
I wouldn't trust anything anyone says or posts on the Internet when it comes to firearm laws, as things get out date, or can be plain wrong no matter how well intentioned the source.  Case in point this map is out of date for CA (it's now non-permissive).  When it comes to avoiding a firearms charge, your only safe bet is to consult an attorney who is knowledgeable in the area in question.  I wouldn't even trust some random clerk in a state's Attorney General's office to give you a reliable interpretation of the laws.  Given that, I'm certainly not going to trust a web site or forum.

"But Your Honor, I read on www.JoeBobsGunLawsByState.com that what I did was legal."  Yeah, right.
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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2012, 10:32:23 AM »
I wouldn't trust anything anyone says or posts on the Internet when it comes to firearm laws, as things get out date, or can be plain wrong no matter how well intentioned the source.  Case in point this map is out of date for CA (it's now non-permissive).  When it comes to avoiding a firearms charge, your only safe bet is to consult an attorney who is knowledgeable in the area in question.  I wouldn't even trust some random clerk in a state's Attorney General's office to give you a reliable interpretation of the laws.  Given that, I'm certainly not going to trust a web site or forum.

"But Your Honor, I read on www.JoeBobsGunLawsByState.com that what I did was legal."  Yeah, right.

If they reference specific State laws, like handgunlaws.US and opencarry.org then you can pretty much trust them since you can read the law for yourself.
On the other hand, you can take the truly paranoid route and not believe anything you read, hear, or see  anywhere.
And don't believe that lawyer you paid either, remember, he'll make a lot more defending you than he will from giving you good advice.

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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2012, 11:01:07 AM »
Forget the People's Republic of MD! Open carry is not permitted here and it does not reciprocate. CC is very restricted and available only to certain people who either transport money, have proven threats against their lives or otherwise are in recognized danger by the MD gestapo (State Police). Close to 90% of all permit applications are denied. A recent Federal Court decision that says PRM is in violation of the U.S. Constitution notwithstanding, this state will do everything in its power to delay, counter-sue, or just plain ignore any compliance directives or court orders. The Democrats who control this state will secede from the Union rather than comply. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong!
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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2012, 11:11:56 AM »
If they reference specific State laws, like handgunlaws.US and opencarry.org then you can pretty much trust them since you can read the law for yourself.
On the other hand, you can take the truly paranoid route and not believe anything you read, hear, or see  anywhere.
And don't believe that lawyer you paid either, remember, he'll make a lot more defending you than he will from giving you good advice.
So who runs web sites like handgunlaw.us and opencarry.org?  How often do they update their sites to keep up with current changes in the law?  From what I see, the folks who run these sites are good firearms enthusiasts, but they're not attorneys and they don't state how frequently they update their sites.  Even handgunlaw.us states "By using any of these links or information provided here, you agree to hold harmless and without liability, PC Solutions, Inc., Steve Aikens, Gary Slider, or any provider of such information. You are responsible for validating your own information."  As I mentioned, the info that opencarry.org currently has for CA is out of date and therefore just plain wrong.  If you follow their information, you would be in a ton of hot water.  Also, a quick check with the CA Attorney General's web site shows that handgunlaw.us is linking to an out of date firearms law publication from 2005.

True, attorneys can give bad advice too.  But you would have recourse in court against them if they do.  Not so with any web site or forum.  We may be able to get 70, 80, or even 90 percent accurate information from folks who create web sites or post in forums, and so it may seem like useful information.  But it's that percentage of bad advice with no recourse that makes it generally worthless if I still have to fact check everything I read.  So IMO, using the Internet for advice on the best AR handguard or hunting loads for feral pigs is great.  Not so for the law.
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Re: Open Carry, What States
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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2012, 12:26:09 PM »
True, trust no one 100%, as we humans tend to get things wrong from time to time.......but there has to be a starting point somewhere.


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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2012, 12:57:06 PM »
I stand corrected that the admin for opencarry.org is not an attorney.  Doesn't change the fact that his information for CA is out of date.  If I went open carrying in a rural, unincorporated area as his site suggests is legal, then I would be in big trouble.  I would have no recourse for his out-of-date, and therefore bad, advice.  Guys, I'm not saying it's bad to start somewhere.  But when it comes to potential trouble with the law, that somewhere needs to be both reliable and accountable for me.  Feel free to take your own chances.
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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »
Way to vague to answer.  Don't believe anything unless it comes from a particular states attorney general.

MA is not technically a concealled carry only state but the laws are so fugged up that it's nearly impossible to get accurate information.

Case in point.  I was in NH last weekend and I have a license to carry there as a non-resident.  It allows me to carry a sidearm but can I carry it openly as a non-resident?  Don't know and I don't really care!
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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2013, 09:47:46 PM »
I really do notadvocate open carry unless I am out in the sticks where NO one is around. Az. isan open carry state and I cringe when I walk into a Subway and see some schmo with his roscoe hanging from his belt. For one thing, the person NEVER sees me walk in. If I was a bad guy, all that says to me is shhot that guy FIRST!!!!! I only want a bad guy to know I hve a gun is when they hear the boom.
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Re: Open Carry, What States
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2013, 08:45:15 AM »
On my first trip to the Knob Creek Machine Gun shoot, I was distracted by the number of folks open carrying.

Men, women, many were carrying, particularly in the Gun Show tents but most everywhere.

After my initial reaction I came to feel as if I had come Home.  This is the the way it should be, I thought, each person demonstration their freedom, independence, willingness and capability to protect themselves and others without any notice or reaction as to it's being out of place.

But you are right.  At the current time, a lone open carry person in Subway is noticeable and and could be a target, but if everyone in that Subway and on the street were carrying, that bad guy would would never initiate any foul action.

That Schmo with his roscoe hanging out is making that statement for Freedom and Liberty for all of us...and  he is taking the risks involved on himself.

I don't open carry because of the risks and disadvantage it might give me, but maybe the next time I see that Schmo I'll uncover my weapon so he doesn't have to Stand alone.
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