Ron Paul's final speech in Congress

[GeorgeCook]

Please take some time to listen. I don't think it will change any minds about him, but I hope you all will think about what he is saying.




Thanks!
-G

[Respen33]

Well said and well posted. Though Ron Paul was a failed candidate, it wasn't because of lack of trying. He simply spoke from his deep belief's and didn't pander to the masses.

He is the ideal of what we want our public officials to be on paper. We will miss you, Ron.

[tombogan03884]

Well said and well posted. Though Ron Paul was a failed candidate, it wasn't because of lack of trying. He simply spoke from his deep belief's and didn't pander to the masses.

He is the ideal of what we want our public officials to be on paper. We will miss you, Ron.

Dude, not "pandering to the masses" is why he was a failed candidate.
Only a phony would call him self a candidate and then alienate as many people as possible.
If he can't get votes it doesn't matter what he thinks.

[jaybet]

Congress isn't  a government service one aspires to. It is a DESTINATION feeding trough of wealth, privilege, and arrogance that is worth anything to reach.

[GeorgeCook]

Dude, not "pandering to the masses" is why he was a failed candidate.....
....If he can't get votes it doesn't matter what he thinks.

Tom,
I agree with the first sentence, but disagree, somewhat, with the last sentence to the extent the ideas he espouses matter. But I understand what you are saying that if a candidate can't get votes it doesn't matter how "right" they are- they can't get into office to put them into action.

I also think it says something about the electorate too. Sometimes the majority gets it wrong, really wrong. I am reminded what Goebbels is reported to have said when he was confronted with the death and suffering of the German people in the last days of WWII. Paraphrasing him he said, "I don't give a sh!t about them. They put us into power, no one forced them. Now they are getting their throats cut and they are getting what they voted for."

But it doesn't matter now. I hope the ideas he believes in is picked up by another candidate who is a more viable candidate.

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[Respen33]

Dude, not "pandering to the masses" is why he was a failed candidate.
Only a phony would call him self a candidate and then alienate as many people as possible.
If he can't get votes it doesn't matter what he thinks.

I think your last statement is where I draw a point of contest. Getting "votes" means nothing in this system. If nothing can be learned by our political system it's that the masses vote how they " think" others will vote.

What "he" actually thinks and his willingness to say it is what I respect. He knows the game yet still speaks how he believes.

I am not suggesting his words aren't structured in such a way to gather positive views, as he speaks to an empty congressional floor, with fellow constitutionalists.

Aristotle had to speak to the walking masses ignoring him before 1 person stopped. Then 2 were stopped, then 3 etc.

[Solus]

Dude, not "pandering to the masses" is why he was a failed candidate.
Only a phony would call him self a candidate and then alienate as many people as possible.
If he can't get votes it doesn't matter what he thinks.

The converse is depressingly and devastatingly true also.

If he CAN get votes, what he thinks is of critical importance...far to many times it is too late by the time we find out.

[Jrlobo]

No matter what the message, a politician has to deal with three perspectives in this country: the Democrats', the Republicans' and the fourth estate's. Ron Paul received the disapproval of all three. That is a non-starter. A politician is supposed to be someone who gets things done. By that definition we have very few politicians left! I'm sorry to see Ron Paul depart the scene, but depart he must. If one cannot "take over" either party, then his efforts, and those of the voters behind him, are futile. So being right, unfortunately, is no guarantee of success. We already see what happens when the Democrats and the fourth estate are united. No Republican (save a Petraeus) stands a chance in that environment. And we see how they deal with the Petraeus' of this world.

[tombogan03884]

That's only because Republicans and libertarians are a bunch of deluded assholes.
They have the stupid idea that politics is about "morals", "Principals" and other irrelevant crap.
It's about POWER.
And until the Conservatives learn that they will continue to be losers.

[santahog]

That's only because Republicans and libertarians are a bunch of deluded assholes.
They have the stupid idea that politics is about "morals", "Principals" and other irrelevant crap.
It's about POWER.
And until the Conservatives learn that they will continue to be losers.

I won't surrender that part. I won't remake the party to look like the "winners" look. It's already one party.. What "we" don't do is communicate what we believe, and more importantly, WHY we believe it.

One further note is that I believe, vote fraud or not, we have lost the nation. We didn't fight, or simply make a new education system.. We have two generations now who've had their brains washed, rinsed and dried..
(Begin rant..
The few who had any sense, were home schooled or private schooled joined the military after 9/11.. Served with the gang bangers and have been through the sausage grinder under inept leadership in the White House who didn't know how to finish the damn job ever since..
End rant..)
If we want what we all say we want, we're gonna have to start over again from scratch, while there are still a few of us who still have half a lick of sense, and start educating our kids (or grandkids) in a school system that we make and pay for ourselves.. We don't need permission to do that.. We can start a school with $10 a month (while we still pay for the idiot mill) for every kid in attendance and teach it in a barn.

Much of what Paul said what correct.. He put "normal" conservatives to opposing him by sounding like he'd sell 3/4 of the Fleet because we don't need it to defend CONUS.. (Oh, sorry "NORTHCOM" now..) That and sounding like he didn't care who came across the borders, or from what direction..
One thing I'll give Paul credit for in this run is that he brought folks into the idea that participation in the process wouldn't be a bad idea..
(Begin rant..
I'm not thrilled that they were all potheads who didn't realize that he wasn't going to give out gold to everybody from his personal fortune, and they would have to earn it for themselves, the same way he did, but he did manage to open up some THC incrusted minds to the idea that it matters what happens up there.. Nor am I thrilled that these same folks both didn't realize that Paul will be just fine, no matter what happens, and that he wasn't offering them a safety net to keep on doing what they are doing in collecting welfare and smoking pot, simply because Paul wasn't adverse to legalizing pot..
(Not necessarily a "thinking" bunch..)
End rant..)