Autozone Now Anti Gun!

[tombogan03884]

So zero tolerance for theft is wrong?   what about failing a drug test?   sorry, violating company policy,  and opening up a huge liability will always be grounds for a pink slip.     

Zero tolerance policies are nothing but a method of avoiding responsibility for decision.
I have twice worked at companies that decided to start doing drug testing.
In both cases the ones who failed were the best workers, managers, supervisors, lead men, the owners son.
In both cases the testing went away.
As for accuracy, Advil and Poppy seed rolls are among the many things that can cause a false positive result.

[TAB]

Tom tests have come along way.  Most people use piss only for a "right now" test  or as a prescreen.  Hair(generally body) is by far a better choice to check for long term abuse.

[TAB]

So you are ok with giving a guy another chance after he stole a c note from the register?   other wise thats zero tolerance.

[kmitch200]

So you are ok with giving a guy another chance after he stole a c note from the register?   other wise thats zero tolerance.

Depends on the circumstances.
Did it get taken with the thought that it would be replaced by the next count or did he take it thinking it would never be missed?   
Did it get taken because his wife was in the middle of the freeway with a flat and he needed cash 'right now' and had to leave work to pay a tow truck, get the tire fixed so she could go to work and was going to tell the boss when he got back?
Is he a junky jonesing for a fix?
Zero tolerance means never asking any of those questions even of your most trusted, faithful employee or business partner.
Find out the 'why'.

There may be a reason but 'ZT' doesn't care about that, which IMHO is stupid.
Let me be clear, I'm NOT saying you TAB are stupid. I'm saying that zero tolerance policies are stupid and people with thinking brain matter should avoid them like the plague.

It is using the same retarded mindset that expels kids from school for making a finger gun and saying "bang" while playing or drawing one on scrap paper. That kid may be a Charles Manson in the making or an Elmer Keith. With ZT we'll never know because they are treated the same.   

[Rastus]

It wasn't always my best employees who failed.  Once it was a really good employee and it really pissed me off for him to let me down.  He tested positive for coke after being clean and working for us 12 years....got a bad woman and oops.  

He worked remote location with crude oil and natural gas....pressure in excess of 9,000 psig in some cases.  A little weed, much less a little coke to dull your brain in a complex industrial situation where awareness keeps your alive and being in a place that is not cookie cutter kills.  The signs were there...reports got sloppy and late and the equipment was not being maintained as it should and that cost us real $$$'s.

Drug tests don't test positive for poppy seeds or Advil and haven't for over a decade.  I once a had a construction crew of about 45 guys on an offshore platform repairing Hurricane Ivan damage, had the operator stop ops and call everyone in the quarters for a meeting....about 5 minutes before the dogs arrived via helicopter.  Not one guy had drugs and nothing was found stashed anywhere.  I gave all them an extra pay in appreciation for them being clean.

Now, just to rub it in my current company does not have an anti-gun policy.  The building has one but in OK if they know you have one then legally the worst that can happen is a $75 trespassing ticket if you don't leave when they ask you....but then they will never know.  Heck, the building guys only show up when you need a light bulb changed in the office; the guard on the desk is "looking for your drunk uncle to stumble in" like most guards so no problem there.  No policy against weapons in company vehicles....eat your hearts out guys.  We have about 100 employees.

Not all workplaces are like Kalifornia yet TAB.

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[RTFM]

8:12 am and FOX news is running it on their morning show now.
Lord I HATE that BITCH Gretchen Carlson HATE HATE HATEEEEEEEEEE her!

Over the years she's made second hand comments on air like - Guns are bad. People don't need guns with them. ...but why a gun.

I'm forced to endure the morning show while the wife is getting ready for work (I work from home) and I suppose it is better then most other morning alternatives... but still, she's no better than Bob Costa in my eyes.

Bitch.

[TAB]

Stealing, is stealing.   If they needed the money for something important.  All they had to do is ask.   I have always been a very fair employer.

[PegLeg45]

So you are ok with giving a guy another chance after he stole a c note from the register?   other wise thats zero tolerance.

Stealing, is stealing.   If they needed the money for something important.  All they had to do is ask.   I have always been a very fair employer.

Zero tolerance for a crime is not exactly the same thing as zero tolerance for a 'silly-to-begin-with' company policy..... Big difference.

I do tend to lean the same way as TAB on that part about stealing. Ask me and I'll give you the shirt off my back. Steal it and it's a whole different ball game.
I can't tolerate a thief......... but comparing stealing, which is an outright crime like rape, to a guy breaking a policy in a private setting is  off the mark, IMHO..

[PegLeg45]

8:12 am and FOX news is running it on their morning show now.
Lord I HATE that BITCH Gretchen Carlson HATE HATE HATEEEEEEEEEE her!

Over the years she's made second hand comments on air like - Guns are bad. People don't need guns with them. ...but why a gun.

I'm forced to endure the morning show while the wife is getting ready for work (I work from home) and I suppose it is better then most other morning alternatives... but still, she's no better than Bob Costa in my eyes.

Bitch.

Tell us how you really feel, guy.   

[TAB]

You guys are knee jerking on this becuase of the gun.  Think about this from strickly a employers point of view.   if a robbery happens, you are insured for that.   if something bad happens to a employee during said robbery, you are insured for that.  Employee pulls a gun, shoots bad guy and hits kid standing behind them, you are not insured for that.   employee has a nd and hits some one/thing, comp pays, then comes after you for it.     reality is, if they are on the clock, you own anything they do.  Lets just say one of your workers takes thier work car to lunch, they have a few beers, hit some one on the way back.   now this should be on them, but its not, its on you.   thats how the world works, sucks, but its life.