The New DFL Bargaining Tool

[MikeBjerum]

This goes back a few years, but it shows it is the new way of negotiating employed by the DFL:

Agree to our major demand, and then we will negotiate and work on compromise after this is passed.

Remember the health payment bill?  "You need to pass it to find out what is in it."  Today it is once you give us the tax increases we want we will sit down and negotiate the give and take on the rest.

It is time for a negotiating tool that my uncle taught me when dealing with those making unrealistic demands:

Walk back in the room;
Don't say a word;
Gather you papers,  and put them in your brief case;
Turn and exit the room - If you want to give them the finger on your way out, that is OK.

Sorry folks, but it is time to stand up for what is right.  Tax and spend has proven to be a failure, and I learned long ago that it is not just the so call rich they are after - they are after everyone with earned income!  A local municipality just passed a "fee" for street lights.  No longer will street lights be installed, maintained or operated at taxpayers' expense.  Starting January 1, 2013 all property owners in the city will be paying a "fee" on their utility bills bases on road frontage for their street lights.  The state university in this city will be paying $1,130 per month!   Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, is all these people know!

When I read this demand from the left today I went over the edge.  The above story on street lights was first; then I received a survey concerning my recreational time and asking about where I shop and travel for fun - this survey is paid for by our State's Department of Commerce (I checked it out and it is legit); then I hear that we are seeing state bonding to help a large city redo their convention center; last night it was our own City Administrator talking about state grants to fund our communities utility maintenance and planned replacement; ...

This is the United States of American, and it is not about the big benevolent government giving us everything!  Who was it that said "A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything away."?

[tombogan03884]

You don't get it.
It is what the people have wanted for 80 years.
If they didn't they would not have reelected that communist FDR 3 times .
You don't like it ?
TS, this hasn't been a Republic, governed by law for 80 years.
This is a democracy where whatever the idiots can be convinced to scream for becomes the law.
They are getting what they deserve .

[Timothy]

Who was it that said "A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything away."?

Gerald Ford...

[MikeBjerum]

Gerald Ford...

Partially correct

[Timothy]

Partially correct

Some folks say it was Jefferson, some say Reagan, some say others.

I'm saying Gerry...a good Nebraska boy who made his way in the great state of Michigan, so there!

 

[Sponsor]

[fightingquaker13]

Actually M58 I wouldn't bitch about the street light fee. That's the kind of thing the government should be doing, and a fee for service type tax is fine. Its the wellfare redistribution stuff that drives me nuts.

[tombogan03884]

Actually M58 I wouldn't bitch about the street light fee. That's the kind of thing the government should be doing, and a fee for service type tax is fine. Its the wellfare redistribution stuff that drives me nuts.

It's the sort of thing we have local govt for in the first place .
As for Gerry Ford, well, Obama isn't the first President to have identity problems.
Ford , ( Born Leslie Lynch King, Jr.; July 14, 1913 – December 26, 2006)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

was elevated to the Presidency as a pay off for his work on the Warren commision .
The fact he actually did OK in an unusual position was just our good luck.
You can tell he was a good president by how many psycho liberals tried to shoot him.

[Pathfinder]

Actually M58 I wouldn't bitch about the street light fee. That's the kind of thing the government should be doing, and a fee for service type tax is fine. Its the wellfare redistribution stuff that drives me nuts.

You ever get tired of being wrong? ? ? ? ?

Property taxes are supposed to provide for local and county city services, like police, fire, streets (including street lights), gubermint staff, etc. Charging extra for lights is like charging for building inspections and permits by people who are already being paid to be building inspectors and permit sellers.

M58 is right, this is only going to get worse as .gov refuses to reign in its tax and spend mindset, and simply goes back to the well (that would be you and me folks) to get more money to give it away to those what's ain'ts got it. The town I left in Illinois was doing this, finding all sorts of ways to tax more (frustrated by state level limits on property tax increases they couldn't get around) and give it to all manner of idiotic leftist ploys in the town.

Remember, .gov is NOT entitled to the money in your pocket. Taxes are supposed to be a common agreement of moneys to be spent for the common good. Any time .gov decides to take more whether you want to give or not, they put a gun to your head.

[tombogan03884]

So go underground.
Work under the table for cash or barter and don't give the money junkies anything to feed their habit.
Get your neighbors to cooperate .
Don't do business with, or even acknowledge, those who want to kiss gov ass.
Those like FQ who have higher priorities than the return of the Republic should also be ostracized under this plan.

[MikeBjerum]

You ever get tired of being wrong? ? ? ? ?

Property taxes are supposed to provide for local and county city services, like police, fire, streets (including street lights), gubermint staff, etc. Charging extra for lights is like charging for building inspections and permits by people who are already being paid to be building inspectors and permit sellers.

M58 is right, this is only going to get worse as .gov refuses to reign in its tax and spend mindset, and simply goes back to the well (that would be you and me folks) to get more money to give it away to those what's ain'ts got it. The town I left in Illinois was doing this, finding all sorts of ways to tax more (frustrated by state level limits on property tax increases they couldn't get around) and give it to all manner of idiotic leftist ploys in the town.

Remember, .gov is NOT entitled to the money in your pocket. Taxes are supposed to be a common agreement of moneys to be spent for the common good. Any time .gov decides to take more whether you want to give or not, they put a gun to your head.

Exactly!  Street lights are a part of the public safety infrastructure.  The only reason for coming up with the fee is to sidestep taxes.  They can leave the taxes at the same level and still increase revenue.  Another new one making the rounds is a storm sewer utility fee.  You will pay a set amount per square foot of lot to cover the cost of storm sewers.  Another bogus revenue increase method.