Arizona Is On The Right Track ... Again!

[tombogan03884]

You are right only if you shut up and go away after the first step.

Instead, keep pushing....cops in schools don't have their weapons locked up.   Guns being locked up in the school didn't bring the walls down or bolts of lightening from the sky. 

Every legislation session push to have to move to where it should be..

I look at some of the AWB stuff put out there and am glad they are looking for everything at once.   Either confiscation or $200 stamp for every semi-auto.  Asking for all that at once is the best way to lose.

Solus is wrong.
Sales figures show we have the population numbers to take what we want from the outdated discredit gun banners .
It's time to flex our muscle.

[Solus]

Solus is wrong.
Sales figures show we have the population numbers to take what we want from the outdated discredit gun banners .
It's time to flex our muscle.

Sales figures don't necessarily show that.   Could be that the majority of the purchases are by those already pro 2A, just expanding their collection. 

And because someone buys a gun doesn't mean they want to see teachers packing in school.  Some here have not been totally in support of that idea.

[tombogan03884]

Sales figures don't necessarily show that.   Could be that the majority of the purchases are by those already pro 2A, just expanding their collection. 

And because someone buys a gun doesn't mean they want to see teachers packing in school.  Some here have not been totally in support of that idea.

Every sale of an AR or AK is a person investing several hundred $ in the proposition that if anything we will achieve less restrictions .
The idea that the numbers are primarily "adding to collections is ridiculous.
The surge in sales has been growing to consistently for to long to support that thinking.

[MikeBjerum]

Solus,

Your theory of take a small victory, shut up, attack, shut up, attack, ... is exactly what the other activist groups say we are doing wrong.  The successful groups have attacked, attacked hard, and even today with all a group like abortion rights they do not back off.

Have you ever tried to purchase a suppressor?  That process is what take a little and shut up has gotten us.  Today the whole class three mess is so deeply entrenched in the government and the minds of the sheeple who do not even understand it that we will have a tough fight resisting its expansion, much less its repeal.

[tombogan03884]

Solus, if m58 and I both agree on this then you must be wrong.

[Sponsor]

[Solus]

Solus,

Your theory of take a small victory, shut up, attack, shut up, attack, ... is exactly what the other activist groups say we are doing wrong.  The successful groups have attacked, attacked hard, and even today with all a group like abortion rights they do not back off.

Have you ever tried to purchase a suppressor?  That process is what take a little and shut up has gotten us.  Today the whole class three mess is so deeply entrenched in the government and the minds of the sheeple who do not even understand it that we will have a tough fight resisting its expansion, much less its repeal.

I never said shut up...I said DON'T shut up

I think many more people will accept armed security guards in the schools...Military or police officers... than arming teachers..the way it should be done.

As soon as that is in place, the logistics problems will present themselves and rather than take away that protection, other options will be considered.   Parents are looking to volunteer for school security.  That will keep guns in the schools, but still out of the classrooms...which will be more attractive to some ...and a pretty workable solution. 

From there, arming teachers as the 'last line of defense' will be easier.

Are you going to tell me it will be as easy to convince folks to arm every teacher who wants to carry than it will to convince them that we need armed guards in the schools?

And about the sales.  I said it could be to collections.  We don't know.  You made the statement it was  proof we had more support.   Show me that proof.  Show me the number of first time buyers in the sales.

And then show me that most of those first time buyers agree teachers should be armed.

And if anything, this buying indicates the belief that restrictions will increase...or why the buying frenzy?

If we have such sure support, why not require gun safety and marksmanship training be made available for all the students as part of the package?  I, for one, think that would be the ideal approach.

[Solus]

Now here is the way to get teachers armed.  And then let them do the pushing to get 'permission' to carry on school grounds.



After the mass murder at a Newtown, Connecticut elementary school, Buckeye Firearms Foundation announced that they would provide free firearms training to teachers and school administrative staff.

So far, the Armed Teacher Training Program has attracted more than 600 applicants from all parts of Ohio and several from other states, including Arizona, California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and West Virginia. More teachers inquire about the program every day.



http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8709

[MikeBjerum]

Rob Pincus has a program going, and he has been offering it to teachers at schools.  It sounds like they have already done a couple classes.  I can't remember the name of the program, it starts with an S, but it can be found at the I.C.E. website.

I believe that now is the time for the gun culture ( firearms trainers, NRA, etc.) to show the self defense and awareness programs they have been offering and developing for years.  The anti's think we are just shoot em up, and now is the time for us to show everything we do and the benefits of it.

[Jrlobo]

Some of you guys remind me of a story told about the first meeting between Nikita Krushchev and JFK in Vienna.

JFK: Let's talk instead of fighting all the time.

NK: Okay. Give me your wallet and your watch.

JFK: Wait a minute. Let's negotiate.

NK: Okay. Just give me your wallet!

Moral of the story: Never negotiate with what is already yours, only with what is his! (old Russian proverb?) In other words, stop acting like Republicans.

[Solus]

Some of you guys remind me of a story told about the first meeting between Nikita Krushchev and JFK in Vienna.

JFK: Let's talk instead of fighting all the time.

NK: Okay. Give me your wallet and your watch.

JFK: Wait a minute. Let's negotiate.

NK: Okay. Just give me your wallet!

Moral of the story: Never negotiate with what is already yours, only with what is his! (old Russian proverb?) In other words, stop acting like Republicans.

So, did JFK give him his wallet?   

Didn't work, huh?