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[Jrlobo]

Today's Washington Post contains an article by Michael Laris and John Wagner about a state government-appointed task force on guns and the mentally ill. The task force is recommending that LE officials in MD should be authorized to confiscate firearms from people "who make a specific threat of 'serious violence' against someone". The TF further recommends that if the person who makes these threats does not own a gun that he be prohibited from buying one. And, they recommend that mental health and other professionals, including psychologists, educators, social workers, addiction treatment counselors and "others", be required to report such threats to local law enforcement.

The TF included reps from the police, courts, state government and advocacy groups. The Director of Special Projects at the Second Amendment Foundation, Philip Watson, said his group is "cautiously optimistic" about the proposed effort "to keep dangerous individuals away from firearms" but were concerned about "improper administration of it...as well as provisions for due process. Our governor, Democrat O'Malley says he intends to use the TF report as he prepares a "gun-control" package potentially including a statewide ban on assault rifles and measures on school safety as well as mental health.

Observation: No matter how much logic will be found in the TF's recommendations, they will not be broad enough to meet the Governor's agenda for GUN CONTROL. The handwriting is on the wall in this Democrat-controlled People's Republic and Sandy Hook is just the excuse.

[tombogan03884]

Only if the sheep allow it.We fought one war over guns stolen at cannon point from Govt storage.
What will Americans do to protect guns they actually paid for ?
The answer to that will determine whether or not they deserve any freedoms at all.

[PegLeg45]

Many states already have laws in place that are similar. If you are charged with Domestic Violence (not convicted, just charged) you have to turn in all guns until the case is decided (if guilty: lose them until after sentence. acquitted: get them back).......
If you have certain types of restraining orders against you, then you must forfeit your guns to the Sheriff's Dept for the specified time of the order (usually one year)..... (my brother went through this in a dispute with his ex).

It would not be a very far step for them to add to the extent of reach to cover more areas via amendments to state laws.  

[tombogan03884]

Here's a good example of where being "reasonable" is self defeating.
It's actually a proposal that might be of some benefit.
Every mass shooting has been carried out by a nut case, 85% of them have been under some type of treatment, 2 I can think of off the top of my head, Va Tech and Aurora Colo had communicated some indication of their plans to mental health professionals.
So the "reasonable folks", like some on this forum, compromise, they say
 "it's a small step toward taking the focus off guns and putting it on crazy people , where it belongs ."
And about 60 seconds after the bill is signed some one loses their gun rights for arguing with a cop about a speeding ticket, the precedent is set and you did it to yourselves.
The only reasonable course is the repeal of all existing gun laws.
When the citizens can arm themselves with what ever fire arms they can afford then we will still not be safe, but we will be much safer from violent criminals .

[cookie62]

In Illinois with the FOID card that is required to own a weapon, it is automatically revoked if you have a order of protection against you. If you give your guns to the state they are destroyed(guilty or not). If you have a friend with a FOID card you can have them store your guns, and retrieve them when your FOID card is returned. If you are judged(by a court) to be mentally defective(whatever that means). Then you lose your Foid card for at least 7 years. And I have heard of people having there FOID card revoked for other reasons. But then again criminals don't have FOID cards.

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[PegLeg45]

In Illinois with the FOID card that is required to own a weapon, it is automatically revoked if you have a order of protection against you. If you give your guns to the state they are destroyed(guilty or not). If you have a friend with a FOID card you can have them store your guns, and retrieve them when your FOID card is returned. If you are judged(by a court) to be mentally defective(whatever that means). Then you lose your Foid card for at least 7 years. And I have heard of people having there FOID card revoked for other reasons. But then again criminals don't have FOID cards.

I asked the deputy about me storing it for him when my brother surrendered his only gun (which was handed down from our grandfather). That was not allowed once the paperwork was started. Had we known that, I could have gotten it earlier..... but once he had declared that he had a gun, he had to give it up for a year. The only way the family could get it then was after the year, if a judge said he could not get it, we could file the proper papers to get it back because it was a family heirloom.

[Jrlobo]

Well folks, we can't point to the nuts as being the cause and not do anything about the nuts. The problem we are going to have is that the libs won't stop at the nuts. They will go for the bolts as well. At least in this state we are in for a real fight. It is not going to be pretty.

[Magoo541]

Well folks, we can't point to the nuts as being the cause and not do anything about the nuts. The problem we are going to have is that the libs won't stop at the nuts. They will go for the bolts as well. At least in this state we are in for a real fight. It is not going to be pretty.

Which is why we shouldn't accept their premise that guns are evil.  The proposal by the NRA was an attempt to change the discussion from losing liberty to reinforcing liberty and solving the problem. If we, the grass roots, will unify, draw a line in the sand and say not another inch (gun law/restriction) they won't stand a chance.  Of the 80+ million gun owners less than 5% are NRA members but even so if they raise their voice and let their representatives know that we WILL NOT accept any more gun laws or restrictions they would quiver in their boots at the mere mention of "Gun Control".  But alas you have too many groups that think they will be protected from the laws because their guns don't look mean or dangerous and, truth be told, don't want to be associated with us "EBR Owners" or Gun Culture 2.0. 

Before the election Tom Gresham had a few of these "Good ole boys" on his radio show (an BHO supporter and a hunter/farmer) and I about blew a gasket here on the forum. I respect my enemy that is truthful about their intentions but I detest traitors in my own ranks that would sell my @$$ down the river to either save their own (for the time being) or to make a power grab within the ranks.

[kmitch200]

Well folks, we can't point to the nuts as being the cause and not do anything about the nuts.

The clincher being, what is a nut...and who gets to define it?
 
Having a diagnosis of depression, PTSD or any number of other mental conditions could be a death sentence for 2A rights.
You are depressed because your sibling, wife, parent or child just died.
As a Nurse, Doctor or FireFighter you are having trouble sleeping because of that dead 2 year old you couldn't resuscitate. 
Both of those situations could be real, valid reasons for having a "mental health" diagnosis, neither of which will usually result in harm to either themselves or anyone else.

Should we trust the 'wet finger in the air' politicians that we have now to do the right thing in the right way?
(you know, those same buttholes that can't figure out that spending more than you have results in debt)
How about the politicritters that will be in office 40 or 90 years from now?

My gut says, not no but HELL NO!

The problem we are going to have is that the libs won't stop at the nuts. They will go for the bolts as well.

Very true indeed.

[tombogan03884]

We are better off letting every one have guns so the law abiding sane people have a better chance of defending themselves .
Do you realize that until 1934 and the NFA felons were not prohibited from owning guns ?
When Frank James (Jesse's brother, not the blogger ) left prison the warden handed him his guns as he passed out the gate.