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Are you a Patriot? A reality check.
« on: January 13, 2013, 07:52:42 PM »
If you consider yourself a Patriot, here's a hard-hitting commentary that will give you some food for thought.  Warning, you may not like what you hear, or even consider it offensive, if you're not a Christian.  If you are a Christian, you may still find it a convicting reality check.  I know I did.  I just thought it would make for some interesting conversation here.


"If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns." - Edward Abbey

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Re: Are you a Patriot? A reality check.
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2013, 07:54:02 PM »
Just to get things started, here was my comment to Yankee's video...

IMO, our nation was irrevocably set on this path of decline and tyranny in 1963 (unfortunately the year of my birth), when the SCOTUS declared (Abington School District v. Schempp) prayer and Bible readings in schools were unconstitutional. It's no coincidence that first crop of these generally God-ignorant kids are the ones now ruling over us in Washington today.
"If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns." - Edward Abbey

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Re: Are you a Patriot? A reality check.
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 09:51:22 PM »
While I agree that we as a nation have lost sight of our moral standing, and as a government kicked god out. I think this guy thinks he is the only person that is religious and, how do I put it, "godly enough". I t just seems he's telling everyone "I'm better than you". Besides that he made some other statements that I feel are incorrect, I don't think the NRA sent Alex Jones to the Piers Morgan show. I also think he watches too many you tube videos ik he thinks thats the way all gun owners are.

Just my opinoin YMMV
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Re: Are you a Patriot? A reality check.
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 10:38:45 PM »
This guy does not have his facts straight on Romney and the Mass AWB . He is parroting the lies published by the socialist Boston Globe .
Gun Owners Action League, (the Ma state gun rights group ) tells a very different story about the bill Romney signed .
He also doesn't get that it is all interrelated .
Sky rocketing Food stamp and welfare rolls, dying economy, the break down of the traditional family through "alternative lifestyles, the anti Christian crusade that lionizes every other religion at the expense of Christianity, the decline of American prestige in the world, the belittling of nationalism and patriotism , the dumbing down of the educational system.
These are not separate problems .
These are all different faces of the same problem .
After WWI a group of communists in Frankfurt Germany decided to research why the "workers of the world" rejected socialism and communism.
They found that the workers were happy under capitalism and were enjoying a continuing improvement in their standard of living.
The research showed that in order to achieve a communist victory in the West it was important to undermine the things that made the West strong.
It's faith, it's education, it's patriotism, it's economy .
During the 20's and 30's The Soviets set up and paid for the beginnings of an organization known as the "Communist International", "ComIntern".
They found fertile ground in devastated Europe and strong parties grew in most European Countries where the agents of ComIntern began by infiltrating Universities, and labor Unions . There was a severe backlash in several countries, Austria required the Army to shell communist occupied apartment buildings and suffered major rioting.
In Germany, Italy, and Spain after brutal fighting the communists were crushed and driven under ground by  the Fascist forces of Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco .
But in France, England, and the US the work of worming into society continued .
Ever wonder why France fell faster than the Warsaw Ghetto ?  Because after the German Soviet treaty National communist parties were ordered to aid the Nazi's, and those on the extreme right tended to agree with Hitler.
The only ones who really resisted were the moderates who valued France, every one else was working for either Berlin or Moscow.
Philby, Burgess, MacLean, (google them) ever wonder why 3 Cambridge grads from very much the "right"families would suddenly disappear from their Security service and Foreign Office jobs and turn up in Moscow ?
They had been recruited as college boys to serve as Communist agents by one of the instructors, Anthony Blunt .
Did you ever notice during the "cold war" that it was ALWAYS the Democrats who leaped to the defense of accused communists ? The more guilty  the more hero worship from the Dems.
The Rosenbergs, even after declassified published documents prove beyond a doubt they were involved in the atomic bomb spy ring the dems treat them as martyrs .
The Dems were ALWAYS the ones whining about the Wests inferiority, the uselessness of resistance, and the need for a soft stance against communism, while cutting military budgets .
The question of "gun rights" is the last battle .
Our economy is being intentionally sabotaged through debt.
We have not had a legal budget in 4 years.
The demographics of a primarily white European Christian nation have been changed through illegal immigration .
Our schools spend more time on "multi cultural" subjects than on US history .
Christians are ridiculed, and hemmed in by hostile regulations while the creed of murderers, terrorists, slave owners, and wife beaters is called "the Religion of Peace"
Americans are being penalized for displaying the American flag, why foreign flags are flown under the protection of the law.
As long as America's remaining patriots retain their arms the rot can be reversed if they can be motivated to act.
Notice it's the Dems pushing "gun control" ?
They have been communist surrogates for 90 years, and the rot spreads as we see in Boner, and those others we call "RINO's and as the current face of the Dem party Obama is the poster child representative of the enemy.
Hopefully gun rights will finally get the selfish stupid sheep off the recliner and into the streets because if the 2nd Amendment is infringed any further it's game over, America dies.
The 2nd A was intended to let the citizens retain the same arms as the military to either augment them in case of invasion, or to counter them in case of an out of control regime.
We have already through cost and regulation lost all our heavy weapons above .50 cal.
Automatic weapons are tightly controlled, and ownership in many states is closely monitored .
It is time to take a stand while we still have something to stand with.
Those who do not don not deserve rights, they do not deserve the title American .

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Re: Are you a Patriot? A reality check.
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2013, 10:16:40 AM »
I think this guy thinks he is the only person that is religious and, how do I put it, "godly enough". I t just seems he's telling everyone "I'm better than you".

I must have missed that part.  I did hear him talk about what the standard is for an American Patriot, as classically defined by GW.  I interpreted it more of an exhortation than a condemnation.  In that, we are not "godly enough".  But what Christian is, except by our trust in God and His grace and not our trust in our gun collection.  But he didn't say that he's better than us, unless that's how people interpret conviction when presented with a standard.  I have heard him in other vids call himself an "elitist", but in the context of self-deprecation and mocking the YouTube "Rambo" prepper mentality.  He definitely isn't an anti-gunner...





In any case, I wasn't that clear in my question.  I was just wondering what folks think about what this guy brought up.  And that is Washington's statement that a faith relationship with God (religion) is a foundational and inseparable attribute of a Patriot.  As a Christian myself, I agree with this for the most part.  Others can display patriotic attributes, qualities and morals, such as unwavering support for our country, community and family.  But for those, where do their rights originate?  From the muzzle of their own gun or from the graces of a Creator?  He's basically saying for a segment of the gun community, their motto is "In Our Guns We Trust" rather than "In God We Trust".  In this I agree with him in that those folks will eventually be disappointed, because God doesn't force his blessings upon those who reject Him.  IMO, the gun carrying gangs in the streets and prisons have as much rights to fulfill their wants as gun carrying "average" good citizens who have no Godly foundation to the origins of their rights.  Why?  In this case, the rights of both groups are "valid" since there is no higher standard by which to judge their validity.  Hence the trap and failure of Relativism.

If you're not a Christian, it's not my intention to offend.  It's just my belief based on what my Creator says in His Word.  But what do you think?  Washington stated otherwise, but can a person be an American Patriot without a belief and trust in God?  And if so, what then makes the actions of the most anti-gun liberal Statist less patriotic?
"If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns." - Edward Abbey

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2013, 12:19:24 PM »
The non Christian Patriot derives his rights from the Constitution, the liberal, anti gun or not, seeks to under mine that.

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Re: Are you a Patriot? A reality check.
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 01:48:52 PM »
Many non-Christians believe in a Creator and most have strong beliefs the strength of families, hard work and charity.  

If they also support the Constitution, they make good American Patriots.

A Christian who does not support the Constitution makes a poor patriot.

The majority of illegal aliens entering the country are Christians....starting their life in this country with a crime.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

 

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