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Ulmus

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Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« on: January 23, 2013, 06:59:03 PM »
Remember that letter I posted that was aimed at liberal politicians to get them off our guns?  Well I got a response and he didn't get the point.

Dear Mr. XXXXXXX
 
     Thank you for contacting me about policy proposals that seek to reduce gun violence in the wake of the tragedy in Newtown. 
 
     I am a hunter and have always owned guns, and I support the Second Amendment.
 
     But assault weapons such as AK 47s are intended for killing, not hunting. (He needs to reread the 2nd Amendment)
 
           Solutions for reducing gun violence must address many areas, from protecting law enforcement and keeping weapons out of the hands of criminals, to school safety, access to mental health services, and confronting a culture that sometimes glorifies violence.
 
     I support reinstating the assault weapons ban and restoring the 10-round limit for ammunition magazines. And, I support universal background checks so that we can know if person buying a weapon has a criminal record. (Is Clinton standing next to you?)
 
     I appreciate hearing your views on this very important issue, and I will keep them in mind.  Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future.  (Right.  That's why the header of the e-mail said, "Do not respond/reply.")
 
                                   Sincerely,
                                   Bill Nelson

I see more calls and letters coming.

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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 07:06:12 PM »
At least he didn't send a form letter  8)
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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 07:32:17 PM »
Send him this .

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/21/debunker-assault-weapons-ban-bunk/

In the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shooting, President Obama has called upon Congress to enact a ban on so-called “assault weapons.” Such a ban, we are told, will “save and protect lives, while reducing crime.”

BUNK

The United States tried this once before. After 10 years as the law of the land, the effects of the 1994 ban on “assault weapons” were so indeterminate that a 2004 study funded by the Justice Department concluded: “Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.” Congress permitted the ban to expire in 2004.

Those who want to reintroduce the ban point out that the number of people killed by firearms during the ban declined an average of 3.93 percent per year. But firearms murders were already declining before the ban was enacted, and in fact had declined at an even greater rate—4.17 percent—the year before it went into effect.

Moreover, the ban occurred during a general decline in crime. While firearms murders decreased, other murders decreased even more: for example, while annual murders by gun declined by 3.93 percent, the annual decline in murders by fire (arson) was 3.98 percent; strangulation, 4.56 percent; explosives, 9 percent. None of these were covered by the ban.


Since the ban expired, the FBI has released six years of post-ban crime data. Surprisingly, these data show that the number of murders by firearms has been even lower since the ban expired than it was during the ban.

Comparing gun crime during the ban with the period since the ban shows that since the ban expired, there has been an average of 435 fewer gun murders per year than during the ban. Taking into account increasing population, the annual firearms murder rate has fallen from an average 3.8 gun murders per 100,000 population per year during the ban to 2.6 gun murders per 100,000 population in 2011– a decline of more than 30 percent.

This decline in gun murders occurred even as the numbers of guns increased. In particular, the number of Bushmaster AR-15s—singled out as “assault weapons” in Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-Calif.) proposed ban—increased dramatically, according to the ATF’s Annual Firearms Manufacturers And Exports, even as the murder rate by firearms fell.

In 1994, proponents of the “assault weapons” ban claimed that it would accelerate the rate of decline in gun murders, and cause gun murders to decrease more than other murders. By 2004, Congress could see that it had done neither, and so allowed the ban to expire. When Congress permitted the ban to expire in 2004, the gun-control lobby predicted that the ban’s expiration would cause gun murders to increase. Today, we can see that it did not.

Since the “assault weapons” ban didn’t cause gun murders to fall more than they had been falling before its enactment; since it didn’t cause gun murders to fall more than other kinds of murders; and since its expiration didn’t cause gun murders to rise, it had no positive effect to justify infringing  Second Amendment rights.

Given the lack of data in 1994, we can’t be too hard on Congress for enacting the original “assault weapons” ban. Now, we know better. There can be no justification for enacting a second “assault weapons” ban today. Those who persist in pushing a second “assault weapons” ban can only be ignorant of the data, or else have ulterior motives for disarming law-abiding citizens.

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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2013, 10:17:59 PM »
Will do.  :)

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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 05:12:18 AM »
Don't forget to remind him that 2A is NOT about hunting.
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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2013, 08:32:02 AM »
At least he didn't send a form letter  8)

I got the identical letter.   No surprise.  This azzclown is and has been a socialist shill for most all of his political career.  I can't wait for the pig-eyed cretin to announce his retirement.

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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2013, 12:46:43 PM »
Neither does Carol Shea Porter

Dear Mr. Bogan,

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about gun laws. I appreciate your thoughts and welcome the opportunity to respond.

The tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut was an unspeakable horror. My prayers are with the victims and their families, as well as the teachers and other public safety personnel who acted heroically to save lives.

 

In Newtown's aftermath, I pledged to work towards ending these mass shootings that shock America far too often. In New Hampshire, we have a proud tradition of responsible gun ownership. I appreciate the importance of this tradition and I strongly support the Second Amendment. I believe that we can protect our traditions and rights and also protect our citizens by enacting measures such as banning high capacity magazines, doing proper background checks, and closing loopholes. Indeed, a recent survey showed that seventy-four percent of current and former NRA members supported criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun. Information on this survey is available at  http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/25/us-usa-shooting-denver-guns-idUSBRE86O02O20120725 .

 

There are a number of pieces of legislation that have been introduced since the tragic events in Newtown, including the Firearm Safety and Public Health Research Act, a bill I have cosponsored that would allow the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health to study the causes of gun violence. I also expect to see new legislation introduced in response to President Obama's speech and I will keep your thoughts in mind as Congress considers these proposals.

 

To learn about current legislation or about my voting record, I invite you to visit the Library of Congress legislative information website ( www.thomas.gov ). There, you can find the full text of a bill or a summary, who introduced it and when, who is cosponsoring it, and where it is in the legislative process. I also invite you to visit my website ( http://shea-porter.house.gov ) for more information about bills that I have introduced or cosponsored, and for issue updates, position statements, or to sign up for my email newsletter. You can also connect with me by visiting my official Facebook page ( www.facebook.com/RepSheaPorter ) and Twitter feed ( http://twitter.com/RepSheaPorter ).

    

Thank you again for contacting my office. It is a privilege to serve you in Washington.

Sincerely,
Carol Shea-Porter
Member of Congress

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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2013, 01:00:39 PM »
I saw this posted elsewhere, and verified all that I am posting below:

Charles Whitman
August 1, 1966
Wounded:  32
Killed:  Mother, Wife, and 14 others
Weapon:  Bolt action rifle with three round internal magazine

Wow!!!

How did he ever do that with only a bolt action and such limited firepower?

If we don't draw the line at pre-1934 and start from there we will find ourselves with smooth bore flintlocks by the end of the year.  And, these muskets will not accept bayonets, and we will be limited on the pounds of lead and blackpowder we can have.
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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 02:33:43 PM »

How did he ever do that with only a bolt action and such limited firepower?

Tactics.  High ground.  Military marksmanship training.

Gee I wonder how they'll address that?  "Re-education camps" anyone  ::)

If we don't draw the line at pre-1934 and start from there we will find ourselves with smooth bore flintlocks by the end of the year.  And, these muskets will not accept bayonets, and we will be limited on the pounds of lead and blackpowder we can have.

I would start with repealling the NFA, go for broke and adjust fire accordingly.
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Re: Bill Nelson doesn't get it.
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2013, 02:55:25 PM »


I would start with repealling the NFA, go for broke and adjust fire accordingly.


You got a little long winded, so I clarified your position.  Hope you don't mind.
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