Glock not shipping frames?

[MikeBjerum]

Good point!

Color me exposed as a non-Glockie 

I forgot the poly product when I read and searched.

[tombogan03884]

I have read four articles on the process.  Some were based on Tenifer, and some were the process and Tenifer named later.  They all agree that it is the process that is not allowed in the US because it does not meet EPA standards.  However, treated products do not hold the hazardous components and may be imported.

So, it is BS that Tenifer is the reason they are not coming in.

No one said Tenifer was the reason they weren't coming in, which, according to Watchman they are.
But your own post explains that Tenifer is the reason they are not entirely US made.
Which was the question I was answering if you go back and look.

[Solus]

No one said Tenifer was the reason they weren't coming in, which, according to Watchman they are.
But your own post explains that Tenifer is the reason they are not entirely US made.
Which was the question I was answering if you go back and look.

Additionally, I mentioned it because I was surprised Glock was importing frames that could be manufactured in the US..as opposed to other parts which are Tenifer treated.

Billt pointed out that the frames are made here in Ga., something I did not know.

[Solus]

While we are talking Glocks, (       )   I have seen several 3rd party frames come and go...

One of particular interest was a frame that could be had in aluminum or Titanium for a Glock 21.  This frame had the external dimensions of a 1911.  They are no longer advertised...so maybe having the magazine cock-eyed in the grip didn't work out.

Non Tenifer slides and parts can be found over at   http://www.lonewolfdist.com/  along with frames if you want to roll your own. 

[billt]

Billt pointed out that the frames are made here in Ga., something I did not know.

There are supposed all American made Glock pistols as well. They are not treated with Tennifer, but rather undergo some type of Melonite treatment, which is EPA approved. Note they have "USA" stamped on the slide. I don't know how prevalent these pistols are, but I have never seen one. And I've seen a lot of Glocks. The thread I linked is over 2 years old.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=69337

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[Kilroy]

I have seen a number of Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock 22s with both Austrian and US made frames.  The current slide & barrel treatment is a nitride finish.  Leaves the surface the same hardness and corrosion resistance as Tennifer.

Being back-ordered over a million guns, both US and Austrian plants have been working three shifts for some time now, turning out several thousand guns a day.  Distributors are being advised that some orders may not be fulfilled until 2014.  Agencies get delivery in 90 to 120 days, while individual officer priced guns make take up to 12 months.  This can all vary by model, distributor and purchaser status.

[Solus]

I have seen a number of Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock 22s with both Austrian and US made frames.  The current slide & barrel treatment is a nitride finish.  Leaves the surface the same hardness and corrosion resistance as Tennifer.

Being back-ordered over a million guns, both US and Austrian plants have been working three shifts for some time now, turning out several thousand guns a day.  Distributors are being advised that some orders may not be fulfilled until 2014.  Agencies get delivery in 90 to 120 days, while individual officer priced guns make take up to 12 months.  This can all vary by model, distributor and purchaser status.

Over a million back-ordered.   I can imagine the CFO.  Talk about wanting to dance and cry at the same time.

[Kilroy]

Talk about wanting to dance and cry at the same time.

Yes, exactly.  Why introduce anything new? 

[Solus]

For all you dedicated Glockoholics, here are 3 links to a discussion (Part 1, 2 & 3) of Tenifer vs. Melonite.    Note that Tenifer is a metal treatment like case hardening and Glocks receive a metal finish over that.  Scratches and wear you might see are to that finish, not the Tenifer treatment.  Tenifer supposedly gives a Rockwell Hardness equivalent to a diamond

Here is the Wiki entry for Tenifer, if anyone cares to get that technical:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferritic_nitrocarburizing





The first link claims they are the same process...not just identical results....which goes against what I had heard previously that the Tenifer process was not allowed to be used in the US for environmental reasons.

“Dear remat457-

Tenifer® is a name used most often in other parts of the world; Melonite® is exclusive to North America . However, they are the same. Please let us know if we can help you further.

Michael *****
Manager, Sales & Service
HEF USA”

http://firearms.fortreg.com/archives/580




The second part stirs the confusion a bit more about if and when Tenifer stopped being the metal treatment for Glock.

http://firearms.fortreg.com/archives/1358




Part 3 comes after the author took his Glock Armorers course and from what he learned from Glock representatives there.  Here is a copy of most of the text at the link.

1. Glock HAS stopped using the Tenifer metal treatment process about 2 years ago (but see #3) and use an ‘equivalent’ process that has the same Rockwell Hardness.  My guess is that they don’t have to pay royalties for their new process. We saw some high mileage Gen3 and 4 pistols and the 4 actually had less normal finish wear (they probably were handpicked but still impressive).

2. beginning about 2 years ago they started making COMPLETE pistols in the U.S. (just a coincidence to #1? I don’t think so). Sorry, there was not time to get more details. I wish I had clarified what was being produced on the US line.

3. the 2011 Glock Annual still says that the sub-compacts are Tenifer treated, but try to find the word ‘Tenifer’ anywhere else!

So, my guess is that the Tenifer treatment is being phased out and so are the royalties to HEF. Incidentally, look for Tenifer references on the Walther PPQ? I can’t find them any more either…

Anyway 1 and 3 I have seen confirmed in writing (#2 was verbal). Thought I would update only for the sake of thoroughness. I will not post again unless I get additional info. Flame away

http://firearms.fortreg.com/archives/1670

[billt]

As far as the Tennifer / Melonite argument, I'll say this. They are not the same, or else Tennifer would be legal in this country the same way Melonite is. They require different chemicals and processing, hence the ban. They might be similar, but not the same. Also, look at how many forum threads are devoted to Springfield XD rusting issues. The Springfield XD Forum website even has an entire forum of it's own devoted to rusting issues with XD handguns. There are also countless threads devoted to similar rusting issues with Smith & Wesson M&P handguns, which are also Melonite treated. You almost never hear of Glocks rusting, and certainly no Glock forum has forums devoted to it, because it is all but a non existent occurrence.