Di-Fi's List

[Solus]

My concern is not that the Republicans won't find the balls to stop this stuff. 

My concern is that they don't really want to.

[JLawson]

Don't get too married to the banned and exempted lists.  There is still the list of items on the gun, and if they go to the one item plan our Ruger 10/22's will be banned  (detachable magazine)

Reading the draft version of S.150, as provided by PegLeg45 (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=21754.0), would indicate that a rifle accepting detachable magazines is not automatically defined as a "semiautomatic assault weapon."  To qualify, the rifle must accept detachable magazines AND have one of the features specified in the 'characteristics list.'  The same is true for handguns - accepts detachable magazines AND has one of the listed features.  With this in mind, the Ruger 10/22, in standard factory dress, would not be banned.

In general, I think it is more useful to focus on their 'formula' for a 'semiautomatic assault weapon' rather than the two lists.  I see those lists as an attempt to show how innocuous the ban really is... as in "Look, we're letting you keep over 2000 and we only want about 150 or so - see how harmless this is?"

The bill's THOMAS text should be available soon and we can see if it differs from the draft version linked above.

[tombogan03884]

In general, I think it is more useful to focus on their 'formula' for a 'semiautomatic assault weapon' rather than the two lists.  I see those lists as an attempt to show how innocuous the ban really is... as in "Look, we're letting you keep over 2000 and we only want about 150 or so - see how harmless this is?"

I think it is "most useful" to stop these mo**erfu**ers in their tracks.
Dead in their tracks if necessary.
Make no mistake, they are after all guns.
These are just the ones they think we're dumb enough to let go first.

[Solus]

Don't think anything to do with a weapon will remain legal with this crowd.

Listen to Feinstein explain how a collapsible stock will change an AR to full automatic...  5:46

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57566053/feinstein-assault-weapons-ban-an-uphill-climb/

[MikeBjerum]

The bottom line is that we must not loose site of their final goal:

Zero firearms in the hands of American subjects!

This is a bad day for me to be contributing on this.  Vietnam on History Channel, Patriot was on earlier, and Braveheart is also on this afternoon.  Too many reminders of what happens when we forget history!

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[rich642z]

I think DIFI is sharing the botox-grape wine mix from Pelosi.   Still looks ugly and demented.

[tombogan03884]

I think DIFI is sharing the botox-grape wine mix from Pelosi.   Still looks ugly and demented.

Looks can be deceiving, but not in this case

[tombogan03884]

One thing that puzzles me in this push for an "assault weapon" ban is that not one person has brought up the SCOTUS ruling in the Miller case .
The SCOTUS ruled that Millers sawed off shotgun was not protected by the 2nd A because it had no military utility for militia use .
AK's AR's and all the other guns on the current ban list are there because they do have military utility for militia use, or look like they do .
Same thing with large capacity magazines, these are precisely the type items the SCOTUS ruled WERE protected

[fightingquaker13]

One thing that puzzles me in this push for an "assault weapon" ban is that not one person has brought up the SCOTUS ruling in the Miller case .
The SCOTUS ruled that Millers sawed off shotgun was not protected by the 2nd A because it had no military utility for militia use .
AK's AR's and all the other guns on the current ban list are there because they do have military utility for militia use, or look like they do .
Same thing with large capacity magazines, these are precisely the type items the SCOTUS ruled WERE protected

Good point. If we are still going to drag out the militia vs individual argument, it becomes pretty damn hard to argue that the civilian version of military firearms aren't protected. After all, what else would a militia use? Di Fi might have screwed herself (God knows no one else would).

[MikeBjerum]

FQ,

It is not militia vs. individual.  The militia is made up of well regulated individuals, and well regulated is (was in the period of the writing) equipped and prepared.