Background Checks

[MikeBjerum]

We all know the pros and cons of universal background checks.  However, there is a question that I have not heard addressed in advance or asked:

James Johnson loves to quote the millions of people that have been caught and denied the right to purchase since the background checks went into affect.  However, of those numbers of denials, how many are people like you or me who were denied on the first tried but passed a day or two later?

I know very few people who purchase firearms on a regular basis that has not been denied at some point for no good reason.

[Solus]

could be a program feature.

We need to be able to show that the checks are effective, so we need to reject 10% of them, failed or not.

[TAB]

When I worked for a ffl.   almost all of the kick backs were from dmv  not the doj.   

[Magoo541]

If any of those were rejected by DOJ for criminal records that is a felony and should have been prosecuted.  As far as I know, dumb machinist that I am, no one has been prosecuted for attempting to buy a firearm as a convicted felon.  DOJ is corrupt as any government institution has been, to the point that some have quit over objections to DOJ's "selective nature".   Black Panthers anyone?

[alfsauve]

Let me highly recommend you follow columnist Emily Miller of the Washington Times.  She writes very clear, common sense pro gun articles.  Below is from one of her recent postings.

The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.
That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/30/the-gun-show-loophole-myth/#ixzz2JVatEx8o
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Can't find the article that breaks down NICS, but I believe the vast majority of rejected NICS checks, on appeal were permitted.  So any number "they" through around about how good NICS is, is malarky.

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[tombogan03884]

Let me highly recommend you follow columnist Emily Miller of the Washington Times.  She writes very clear, common sense pro gun articles.  Below is from one of her recent postings.
   (also on FaceBook)

Can't find the article that breaks down NICS, but I believe the vast majority of rejected NICS checks, on appeal were permitted.  So any number "they" through around about how good NICS is, is malarky.

I saw the article Alf is referring to so I think it's here some where the number the anti's are throwing around is of sales "holds".
The actual number of total actual " rejections" a microscopic fraction of that .

[WatchManUSA]

Since being implemented about .7% (yes, less than 1%) of NICS checks have been denied. Don't confuse "Denied" with "Delayed."  If you receive a Delay by NICS they have a maximum of 3 business days to do further research. If NICS does not get an answer to the FFL by close of business on day (business day) 3 the gun can be sold on day 4.

If you receive a Denied you will forever be denied unless you appeal and win the appeal. If you win you will be issued a Unique Personal ID (UPIN).

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics#disablemobile

Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms or explosives. Before ringing up the sale, cashiers call in a check to the FBI or to other designated agencies to ensure that each customer does not have a criminal record or isn’t otherwise ineligible to make a purchase. More than 100 million such checks have been made in the last decade, leading to more than 700,000 denials.

[MikeBjerum]

Watchman,  I understand delayed, and how it works.  But what about when I have been (whatevered) and two days later they run it again and it passes.  Do I get counted as denied or delayed without taking the gun on that request?

[WatchManUSA]

Watchman,  I understand delayed, and how it works.  But what about when I have been (whatevered) and two days later they run it again and it passes.  Do I get counted as denied or delayed without taking the gun on that request?

I don't believe you were ever Denied, you were Delayed. If you had ever been Denied you will never again be approved unless you formally, in writing, appealed your Denial to the ATF.  There is a specific formal documented process to appeal a Denial. You can't just run another check in a few days and pass through again. If you are Denied you have been determined to not be able to own a firearm.  Your status will not change until you win the appeal.

I have a customer currently in the process of an appeal. I called in his 4473 and he received a Delay at first. Before his 3 days expired I got the call back that he was Denied. When he came in for a refund I gave him a copy of the appeal process. He came in the shop last week to get a copy of the original 4473. He told me he was getting his documentation put together including getting finger printed. He said it is a slow process.

[1Buckshot]

I don't know how it is in other states  but here in Montana all I need to do when buying a gun is fill out the paper work and show them my CC permit and walk out. No call for background checks and no chance of screw ups in the Government side.