The NRA Responses

[tombogan03884]

Never mind the failure of the previous AWB, how about mentioning that the Supreme court has in the Miller case, ruled such action would violate the 2nd Amendment ?
Considering how many lawyers are living off our donations you would think at least one of them would have brought this up.

[MikeBjerum]

I am under the assumption that we are debating the spokesman and not the message.

Wayne LaPierre is the spokesman I am discussing and supporting for the delivery.

If you want to speak message we need to go to the entire top of the office staff (LaPierre, Cox, etal, and the board).

[tombogan03884]

I am under the assumption that we are debating the spokesman and not the message.

Wayne LaPierre is the spokesman I am discussing and supporting for the delivery.

If you want to speak message we need to go to the entire top of the office staff (LaPierre, Cox, etal, and the board).

Considering the way the population has been voting with their wallets, maybe that is what is needed .
Replace the current crop of "negotiators" with an entire board of "take no prisoners" aggressors who will work at restoration instead of defense of what's left.

[billt]

The NRA went through something very similar in 1976 when Harlon Carter took over. The then NRA brass were accused of being infiltrated by anti gunners. The result was the biggest turnaround in NRA history. They were most all sent packing in favor of Harlon Carter's hard line approach. It worked then, and I don't see why it wouldn't work now. Carter was considered by many to be the "Nikita Kruschev" of NRA Presidents.

[tombogan03884]

The NRA went through something very similar in 1976 when Harlon Carter took over. The then NRA brass were accused of being infiltrated by anti gunners. The result was the biggest turnaround in NRA history. They were most all sent packing in favor of Harlon Carter's hard line approach. It worked then, and I don't see why it wouldn't work now. Carter was considered by many to be the "Nikita Kruschev" of NRA Presidents.

If we are going to bury the anti's we need to quit screwing around smoothing the grade and get back to digging the hole for them.

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[MikeBjerum]

If we are going to bury the anti's we need to quit screwing around smoothing the grade and get back to digging the hole for them.

From what I have seen LaPierre is capable of that if the Board is ready for that.  My problem is that many of the bios for board members are vague concerning their stance and resolution.  How do we vote with the limited info we are presented?

All of that aside, it is time we start writing to the National Rifle Association with the same "take no prisoners" attitude we are using on our elected officials.

Another question:  Where are all of the other organizations?  I am hearing very little from either the media or groups outside of the NRA and Twin Cities Gun Owners & Carry Forum.

[Solus]

While I have respect for La Pierre, I no longer feel he is the best man for the job. Why, for the love of God, didn't he mention the fact we had an Assault Weapons Ban for 10 years and it did NOTHING to reduce crime, or make anyone safer? The NRA should be hammering this home in every interview they give. Also, He never mentions how everyday Americans are stripping the gun shops bare of everything semi auto and ammunition related. How do you think these people are all going to vote in the next election, if the Dems keep beating this dead horse? The 1994 elections provided one of the biggest upsets in political history. All of it in response to failed gun control measures taken by the Dems. But again, nothing.

All that comes out is the usual pro gun blather. The NRA needs a brilliant debater like Newt Gingrich. Love or hate the man, I would not want to debate him on guns, or anything else for that matter. Right now Wayne La Pierre is stale bread that the public is getting pretty tired of looking at. And frankly I don't blame them. The NRA needs a transfusion of new, better suited blood. I think Nugent and Gingrich would make a very formidable team for the NRA to have in their corner.

I agree, Bill.  Was thinking that we need someone with Newt's skill who is a strong activist for the 2A.   Never rattled and always has the counter that seems to undoubtedly  pierce the core of the opponents argument.

Uncle Ted has the energy and the outlook, Newt has the debating skill.

[tombogan03884]

From what I have seen LaPierre is capable of that if the Board is ready for that.  My problem is that many of the bios for board members are vague concerning their stance and resolution.  How do we vote with the limited info we are presented?

All of that aside, it is time we start writing to the National Rifle Association with the same "take no prisoners" attitude we are using on our elected officials.

Another question:  Where are all of the other organizations?  I am hearing very little from either the media or groups outside of the NRA and Twin Cities Gun Owners & Carry Forum.

The other groups, SAF, GOA, JPFO, CCRKBA, all joined that umbrella group , as to what they are doing below the radar while NRA draws fire, I do not know.
But we need to remember that it has been these groups not the NRA, that has been fighting in the courtromms while NRA fights in Congress.

[santahog]

I'm not trying to kick the one lobbying group we have that can actually move the ball down the field here..
I really do think that we need to rotate LaPierre out. Chris Cox too, or whoever it is who decides who gets the blessing in political races. The ILA offered to endorse Reid as recently as 2010. I get the dance, but supporting Reid, in the role of Senate leader is no different than endorsing Schumer.. How do they not get that??
They swim in that cesspool up there, and it does stick to them after a while. It would anybody, eventually..
If Coburn is a member, I think he would be a good prospect to bring into leadership. I think he's on his way out next time around.
Selleck might not be bad.. Maybe..
Newt would be great at it, but will the "baggage" that the press hangs around his neck weigh him down? I don't know..
We need to be speaking from a position of strength, and doing the Sunday Show thing doesn't really project that.
"Air Wars" need to be happening at the level of vulnerable Reps and Senators, beating the drums of political accountability to the people who elected them, and so on..
Working with the NSSF to put on workshops for the public to get a "First Shots" thing to a broader audience, getting rid of the boogie man that the press claims lives in the barrel (or "clip") of every evil black firearm..
Working the State Capitols.. PSAs on local media.
We need to beat these guys to death with the bloody end of it, down here where regular people live, and at the state level Dems (and GOP) too.

Rant...
I don't know.. I just think it's time to rotate our stock a little more than we have lately..

[billt]

The ILA offered to endorse Reid as recently as 2010. I get the dance, but supporting Reid, in the role of Senate leader is no different than endorsing Schumer.. How do they not get that??

Don't be too quick to jump on the NRA for the Reid endorsement. When it became evident the 2010 Harry Reid / Sharon Angle race was becoming too close to call, because Angle kept sticking her foot in her mouth regarding Hispanics, the NRA made a deal with Harry Reid. He was willing to "be bought" by the NRA because he thought he needed them to defeat Angle at the time. He was probably right. The race was very close.

No one knows for sure what type of deal was made. Neither the NRA or Reid discussed it much. The NRA membership was crying loudly about it. But if you think about it, all of it made sense. Having a Democratic Senate Majority Leader somewhat "in your pocket", made a lot more sense than backing a losing conservative. It all panned out. Reid won, Angle was sent packing.

Before Sandy Hook, Reid was quoted as saying when asked, if the subject of gun control would come up this past session, he said "there was no time for it". He was then asked about it when the Senate reconvened in the new year. He said, "Fat chance." The fact of the matter is Reid doesn't want to deal with gun control anymore than the NRA does. Gun legislation has been very toxic for the Democrats. If another Assault Weapons Ban were to pass, Reid knows he would lose his powerful job as Senate Majority Leader in the 2014 mid term elections. I doubt he will even allow it to come up for a vote unless he , (and the NRA), are assured it won't pass.

The NRA getting into bed with Reid is a classic example of keeping your friends close, and your enemies closer. Sometimes, as this proves, it pays to, "make a deal with the devil".