I hope this scares the $h!t out of them

[Jrlobo]

billt,

      I try not to underestimate my enemies, nor overestimate my capabilities. It was Obama that suggested sequestration and perhaps he got what he really wanted. He has Americans pitted against Americans on gun control, perhaps just what he wants. He has Republicans pitted against Republicans, perhaps just what he wants. He has the poor pitted against the rich, perhaps just what he wants. He has hispanics and blacks pitted against caucasians, perhaps just what he wants. Chaos, after all, is the crucible of revolution, perhaps just what he wants. Obama himself may not be the brightest light bulb in the room, but his handlers aren't dumb. He's got us on the defensive, so very Pivenish of him. If we are so smart, why have we let lazy Obama do this to us?

[billt]

billt,

      I try not to underestimate my enemies, nor overestimate my capabilities. It was Obama that suggested sequestration and perhaps he got what he really wanted. He has Americans pitted against Americans on gun control, perhaps just what he wants. He has Republicans pitted against Republicans, perhaps just what he wants. He has the poor pitted against the rich, perhaps just what he wants. He has hispanics and blacks pitted against caucasians, perhaps just what he wants.

We would have all of that with any other Democratic President. Substitute Hillary for him and what would be different? He's just another liberal Democrat. Americans have been arguing gun control before Obama was born. The haves have fought against the have nots since this country underwent the Industrial Revolution. The races have been fighting and arguing with each other since we moved west and displaced the Indians.

This whole "sequestration" thing is a bunch of nothing. What's $85 billion in relation to $1.5 TRILLION? Hussein is just making noise, and people are seeing how meaningless it all is. The sky isn't falling. He's actually made quite a fool of himself over this. This guys popularity has crested. There is nowhere for him to go but down. All the Republicans have to do is watch. He's starting to behave like a spoiled child. The media can only polish this turd just so much.

[Solus]

We would have all of that with any other Democratic President. Substitute Hillary for him and what would be different? He's just another liberal Democrat. Americans have been arguing gun control before Obama was born. The haves have fought against the have nots since this country underwent the Industrial Revolution. The races have been fighting and arguing with each other since we moved west and displaced the Indians.

This whole "sequestration" thing is a bunch of nothing. What's $85 billion in relation to $1.5 TRILLION? Hussein is just making noise, and people are seeing how meaningless it all is. The sky isn't falling. He's actually made quite a fool of himself over this. This guys popularity has crested. There is nowhere for him to go but down. All the Republicans have to do is watch. He's starting to behave like a spoiled child. The media can only polish this turd just so much.

There is a difference between Obama and other democratic presidents and candidates.

This is home for Hillary and the others.  What they want to do might be to change the country maybe so much so that it is a different country, but this is not BHO's home.  I believe he might be quite willing to start as big a civil war with as much destruction and ruin as he can.  He can use the Air Force to bring any troops/terrorists he can line up who are willing to help bring down the Great Satan.  Would the Air Force do that?  Maybe..  As TomB says, and I don't doubt it, we will be fighting troops and police who are our neighbors.  No reason to think the Air Force or Navy will be any more loyal to the American People than the Army, Marines or police. 

When the fires and going really well and hot, he could gather up his family and go home.

[billt]

I believe he might be quite willing to start as big a civil war with as much destruction and ruin as he can.

"Being willing" to do something, and accomplishing it are 2 completely different things. This guy isn't that great of an achiever.

[Solus]

"Being willing" to do something, and accomplishing it are 2 completely different things. This guy isn't that great of an achiever.

That is only true if his objectives are what you think they are.

The man has done more to divide this country, devastate the health care system, ruin the economy, severely weaken the moral and effectiveness of the military, boost our enemies and hinder our allies, triple the national debt and bring the country to the verge of bankruptcy and put our currency in imminent danger, than any president ever...and more than all of them combined in at least one of those categories.  

True, if you think his goal was to do good for the country or to achieve his stated goals, he hasn't accomplished much.

But if his goal was to do as much damage to the country as possible, he is right up there at the top of the class and it ain't over yet.

The more he fails at his attempts to do what would be considered good job, the more of his goals he achieves.

His goal isn't to win the civil war, it is to start it.....or to have us willingly become slaves.

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[billt]

That is only true if his objectives are what you think they are.

The man has done more to divide this country, devastate the health care system, ruin the economy, severely weaken the moral and effectiveness of the military, boost our enemies and hinder our allies, triple the national debt and bring the country to the verge of bankruptcy and put our currency in imminent danger, than any president ever...and more than all of them combined in at least one of those categories.  

True, if you think his goal was to do good for the country or to achieve his stated goals, he hasn't accomplished much.

But if his goal was to do as much damage to the country as possible, he is right up there at the top of the class and it ain't over yet.

The more he fails at his attempts to do what would be considered good job, the more of his goals he achieves.

His goal isn't to win the civil war, it is to start it.....or to have us willingly become slaves.

This country was divided before he ever took office. He just gave the far left something to cheer about. The fact is this country has become totally stupid and reliant on government before he ever arrived on the scene. All of this was boiling to a head before he ever took office. Stupid people who believe in this guy are no more capable of fighting a civil war than they are of providing for themselves without government handouts. Civil Unrest because of Obama....Yes. Civil "War"..... No.

You have the "Occupy" movement as proof of that. Nothing more than a bunch of drug loving, disorganized, lazy idiots with no direction that just wanted to stir up trouble. As soon as it got cold out, they all went home. If Hussein & Company "paid" for that, they sure as hell didn't get their money's worth.

[Solus]

Well, Civil Unrest would lead to Martial Law, which would be grounds for suspending the next presidential election and I don't think it would take much after that to ignite Civil War.

[JC5123]

This country was divided before he ever took office. He just gave the far left something to cheer about. The fact is this country has become totally stupid and reliant on government before he ever arrived on the scene. All of this was boiling to a head before he ever took office. Stupid people who believe in this guy are no more capable of fighting a civil war than they are of providing for themselves without government handouts. Civil Unrest because of Obama....Yes. Civil "War"..... No.

You have the "Occupy" movement as proof of that. Nothing more than a bunch of drug loving, disorganized, lazy idiots with no direction that just wanted to stir up trouble. As soon as it got cold out, they all went home. If Hussein & Company "paid" for that, they sure as hell didn't get their money's worth.

Maybe not, but each time they get involved with something they keep ratcheting it up. Based on what I have seen I have no doubt that BHO is trying to incite some kind of mass violence in our country. His only major question mark is the reaction from our side. So far we haven't taken the bait. Every time the White House reaction is the same, "We haven't gone far enough." Which begs the question, how far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go? From what I have seen so far, I am willing to bet they will go all the way. The only variable I see at this point is whether or not enough Americans are willing to stand firm and meet the challenge.

[Jrlobo]

Do any of these rules apply to Obama? If so, he is following Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", which I extracted from Wikipedia (a wiki-wiki source).

The rules

    RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
    RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
    RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
    RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
    RULE 10: "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
    RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
    RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
    RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

[billt]

While I tend to agree with this whole "What Obama wants" phylosophy, I doubt any of it will come to pass because any type of structured "war" requires enormus military planning on both sides. One only has to look at our own Civil War that was fought just 150 years ago. The North won because they had the majority of all the manufacturing, railroads, and resources that are required to make and wage war. The South did not.

We've all read in the history books how the South was melting down church bells in order to cast cannons and revolver frames. Yet, in spite of that they still had very good military leadership under Robert E. Lee, and several others. They fought a very good fight for what they had to fight it with.

Fast forward to today. All you've got is the far left extremists which encompasses less than 20% of the entire population. The majority of what's left are minorities, mostly living in the inner cities, who want the entitlement gravy train to keep rolling. When it stops is when they'll riot. That will last about as long as the "Occupy Movement" did, because they're one in the same....A bunch of lazy, disorganized idiots. Don't put too much faith in the military lining up on main street and exterminating civilians. Again, even if Obama "wants this", the odds of it happening in reality are slim to none.

Look at Greece, Spain, and Italy. Most of the disruption they face is disorganized rioters and students that fire up every few weeks on some street. They wind up getting tear gassed and water cannoned until they go home. Which is usually pretty quick. They are in much worse shape than we are. At least at the moment. It may get a little more violent when these big city pensions start defaulting. But as of now I'm not buying into a big Alex Jones or Glen Beck apocalypse scenario.