Universal Background Checks - negotiations are stalled

[Solus]

Wake up .
Have you no spine ?
We are talking about our Constitutional rights.
Not some cheap trinket in an Arab bazaar.
No more compromise.
"Shall not be infringed" means what it says.

Sigh...we keep going round and round about this.

I will take any small step in our direction we can get while continuing the fight for it all.

You seem to be saying fight for everything all at once and don't take anything less.

Are you stupid?

[tombogan03884]

Sigh...we keep going round and round about this.

I will take any small step in our direction we can get while continuing the fight for it all.

You seem to be saying fight for everything all at once and don't take anything less.

Are you stupid?

That's exactly what I'm saying , and no I'm not stupid.
You are if you can't understand the implications of us being the ones with the guns and skill in using them.

[Warrior1256]

Never, give up, never give in. Oppose all anti-gun proposals, concede NOTHING!!!

[fightingquaker13]

Sigh...we keep going round and round about this.

I will take any small step in our direction we can get while continuing the fight for it all.

You seem to be saying fight for everything all at once and don't take anything less.

Are you stupid?

This! (except for the stupid part). We are in a war of inches. Its a marathon, not a sprint. There is a probably apocraphyl tale of a couple of colonels, one American, one Vietnamese who shared a smoke during a break at the Paris Peace Talks ending the war.
The American colonel says "You realize we won every battle in this war".
His counterpart replied "So what? You still lost the war".
Words of wisdom. We need to keep focused on the final score, not about making the next first down at all costs.

[Solus]

That's exactly what I'm saying , and no I'm not stupid.
You are if you can't understand the implications of us being the ones with the guns and skill in using them.

Are you honestly saying that anything less than starting an armed conflict to regain our rights is a spineless compromise?

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[tombogan03884]

Are you honestly saying that anything less than starting an armed conflict to regain our rights is a spineless compromise?

It's an option, but when you consider that your opponents are cowards who expect some paid by the hour cop to do what they don't have the courage to do you realize that just the willingness to go to the limit will not only regain your gun rights, but also every other Right that has been slowly eroded over time.
If enough of the people are ready to fight for whats theirs, and show they are willing to FIGHT, not debate, but get out in a position and shoot, then the people you are so afraid of will run away to a more favorable country, like France.
We are free people armed.
We have no need to "negotiate" or "compromise" with any one .
All it takes are courage and resolve.
Where's yours ?

[Solus]

It's an option, but when you consider that your opponents are cowards who expect some paid by the hour cop to do what they don't have the courage to do you realize that just the willingness to go to the limit will not only regain your gun rights, but also every other Right that has been slowly eroded over time.
If enough of the people are ready to fight for whats theirs, and show they are willing to FIGHT, not debate, but get out in a position and shoot, then the people you are so afraid of will run away to a more favorable country, like France.
We are free people armed.
We have no need to "negotiate" or "compromise" with any one .
All it takes are courage and resolve.
Where's yours ?

I agree that it is an option.

I think maybe we differ in that I don't think a negotiated victory is detrimental to that option.

For instance, I think the negotiated victory that might occur in  Utah would be a good thing, even though it is not complete in that it is only one of 50 steps in a complete victory. 

True, it might take us a bit farther away from the necessity of a shooting solution, but I don't think that is a bad thing either, as long as our negotiated compromises are reclaiming some part of what we have lost and not giving the other side anything but less infringement.   

How that particular action plays out, in getting it passed and the reaction of the feds may do a lot to show how necessary a shooting solution is going to be.

[tombogan03884]

A "negotiated victory" as you call it, is nothing but a time waster.
All it accomplishes is to postpone decision until the next fight, and the next, and the next.
It is a strategy of cowardice.

[Solus]

A "negotiated victory" as you call it, is nothing but a time waster.
All it accomplishes is to postpone decision until the next fight, and the next, and the next.
It is a strategy of cowardice.

All the letters to politicians, then, are part of that cowardice since they are directed at achieving "negotiated victory"?

[fightingquaker13]

A "negotiated victory" as you call it, is nothing but a time waster.
All it accomplishes is to postpone decision until the next fight, and the next, and the next.
It is a strategy of cowardice.

Look.
Here are two basic facts.
First, as long as people have a comfortable life with two cars and cable and don't feel oppressed, they won't start a revolution. And they won't thank you for starting one either.
Second, if we can't win an election the idea of winning a revolution is absurd. You sound like the lefties under Bush (the sky is falling, its the end times). But guess what? They organized and won. Thats what we need to do.