New Navy commercial..

[santahog]

Anybody get the feeling a mis-impression of what the Oath means could come from this commercial,
or am I getting overly cynical in my advancing age?..
(Remember, we're talking to know nothing recruits here..)

[fightingquaker13]

I think you're a bit cynical. Hell, it beats the "Army of One" farce the Army was running. And it hits on the oath to the Constitution. (Might even make the kids read the the thing before they sign up, but maybe I'm a little drunk). Still, except for those stupide blue cammo pattern fatiques it seems like a good commercial.

[Ichiban]

It does have a "Globalism" ring to it:   "... and the fair treatment of all."  And "A global force for good."
Nothing about defending one's country against its enemies.

[crusader rabbit]

Yes, there is a certain feeling of globalism exhibited in this spot.   

But, more disturbing to me in light of all the talk of assassinating American citizens without trial is the part where the young sailor says he will obey the orders of those appointed over me.  I seem to recall the word lawful was inserted just before orders in the oath I took so many years ago.

I'm just sayin'

Crusader Rabbit

[Timothy]

The word lawful wasn't there in 1975 when I swore the oath but the UCMJ most certainly was!

"and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

That's where the "lawful" plays into the process!

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

Yes, it's the UCMJ that says that you only obey LAWFUL orders.

[santahog]

Yes, there is a certain feeling of globalism exhibited in this spot.   

But, more disturbing to me in light of all the talk of assassinating American citizens without trial is the part where the young sailor says he will obey the orders of those appointed over me.  I seem to recall the word lawful was inserted just before orders in the oath I took so many years ago.

I'm just sayin'

Crusader Rabbit

It does have a "Globalism" ring to it:   "... and the fair treatment of all."  And "A global force for good."
Nothing about defending one's country against its enemies.

I'm glad it wasn't just me...
Thanks..
Sometimes I feel like the green eyeshades are permanently affixed to my nose, and I'm losing my perspective/(maybe compassion)..
I don't want to turn into "that guy".

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[JLawson]

Yes, it's the UCMJ that says that you only obey LAWFUL orders.

I worry about how many know the difference.

[Jrlobo]

JLawson,

      A good question. Far too many look at it as just a paycheck and a free education.

[jnevis]

That would be suspect if the wording wasn't 20 years old

The "Sailors Creed" was written by a "Blue Ribbon Recruit Training Panel" in 1993 at the direction of Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Frank Kelso, who personally participated in the final edit of the working group's proposal. Admiral Kelso then directed that every recruit be given a copy and required to commit it to memory.

In 1994, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jeremy Boorda approved a minor change which made the creed inclusively descriptive of all hands. The change involved replacing the word "bluejacket"; with "Navy," which describes the lowest enlisted rate, E-1, through the highest officer rank, O-10. After 1997 another change to the text occurred when the words "my superiors" were replaced with "those appointed over me." In today's Navy, the Sailor's Creed is memorized by all personnel in boot camp and has been incorporated in officer training as well.

All of the personnel in the uniform of Naval Service are Sailors first and in addition, they are officers, chiefs, petty officers - aviators, seabees, surface warriors and submariners. This is an important point impacting unity and esprit de corps.


The "global force for good" thing was thought up by a marketting firm in NYC and approved by Recruiting Command and they've been catching MUCH grief ever since from the CNO on down.