You Tube Star "FPS Russia" Home & Office Raided.

[tombogan03884]

Just becuase something is legal, it does not mean you can use it how you want.  Me using black powder in a gun,  is legal, take that same black powder and put it in a pipe with 2 end caps and a fuse is not.  No one knows what happen, I won't judge until I know.   and for the record, waco and ruby ridge, both sides f'd up.

They sure did.
According to the evidence the citizens trusted the Govt and the Govt got caught murdering them.
Those are both big mistakes.

[billt]

They sure did.
According to the evidence the citizens trusted the Govt and the Govt got caught murdering them.
Those are both big mistakes.

Also, the government had to pay Randy Weaver and several of the Waco survivers millions in restitution. That isn't because they were "right".

[TAB]

Lawyers were enovled.   In both thoses cases people were breaking the law and they knew it. 

[blackwolfe]

Lawyers were enovled.   In both thoses cases people were breaking the law and they knew it. 

What law did Vicki Weaver break?

[blackwolfe]

If this whole raid is about nothing more than how much Tannerite they may have mixed up and whether or not it was commercially it's a crock of crap.  I guess "they" are trying to find new ways for wasteful spending.  I wonder if "they" are trying to say that if they got any remuneration for the youtube videos that it would be considered commercial use.

Another thought may be that "they" are trying to create a crisis in regards to Tannerit Terrorisim to get reactionary targets banned.
Can anyone say fast and furious?

[Sponsor]

[TAB]

weaver sold sawed off shot guns to several people including a atf agent.  Thats what prompted the raid.  Things went down hill on both sides after that.

[Rastus]

weaver sold sawed off shot guns to several people including a atf agent.  Thats what prompted the raid.  Things went down hill on both sides after that.

I watched Congressional testimony on CSPAN with Arlan Spectre (sp?) leading the way and I do not remember that the government was able to prove the case and convict Weaver for sawing off the shot gun to below legal limit. 

The person who went to Randy Weaver to get the shotgun shortened did so on ATF orders so that they could entrap Weaver as payback for Weaver declining to become an informant.  All on CSPAN, all Congressional testimony that I saw none of which could be refuted by the government. 

[philw]

I really hope  that Kyle Myers is all vindicated   all over payments he gets from being  a youtube partner  it is a joke   

and a very long bow the AFT is pulling with this one..

[billt]

weaver sold sawed off shot guns to several people including a atf agent.  Thats what prompted the raid.  Things went down hill on both sides after that.

What originally prompted the raid was Weaver did not "play ball" with the ATF. He had, in the past, belonged to a white seperatist group. Separatist, not supremacist. They, (ATF), wanted Weaver to give up information on the group regarding weapons the members had, etc. When Weaver refused to be their undercover rat, they nailed him on a barrel length charge on a shotgun he possessed. When he did not appear in court on that charge, that is when the ATF raided his home and murdered his wife, son, and dog. Nice bunch. They attempted to use the weapons charge as bait to get what they wanted from him.

[Solus]

What originally prompted the raid was Weaver did not "play ball" with the ATF. He had, in the past, belonged to a white seperatist group. Separatist, not supremacist. They, (ATF), wanted Weaver to give up information on the group regarding weapons the members had, etc. When Weaver refused to be their undercover rat, they nailed him on a barrel length charge on a shotgun he possessed. When he did not appear in court on that charge, that is when the ATF raided his home and murdered his wife, son, and dog. Nice bunch. They attempted to use the weapons charge as bait to get what they wanted from him.

From what I had read at the time, the ATF was more involved in Weaver's decision to sell a sawed off shotgun. 

After he repeatedly refused to make one and sell it to an undercover ATF agent, they convinced his employer that he should be let go and he lost  his job.

When he couldn't find work and needed the cash he finally agreed to take a hacksaw to the shotgun and sell it for the cash he needed.

It would not take much of a lawyer to win Weaver's settlement with evidence of that action going way beyond entrapment.