Firearm registries / registration

[philw]

Thought I would make a few comments based on my experience here


I know a lot may all ready know this.


Every legally owned gun here has to be on the registry and all transfers are tracked   

They have everything we own or have owned recorded in it
Each state has there own system and data base. However there are moved that they want to move it to a national system

Also when we buy a gun after we get approval we have to register it. Guess what that costs money  and they put mine up a couple of years ago. However that is a once off fee per firearm   

And as you know the crims don't bother with that


The other issue is they have had is the db in a couple of states they have lost data and people that sold guns years and years ago they said according to the db still had them so they sent police about to "audit" or correct there systems to update thee records   However they called it a safe inspection to make sure we have them all stored as according to the law

Another major concern of ours is the security of this data as they have all out details. Name  DOB. Address licence numbers  and all out firearms and where they are stored
Hmm nothing can go right.

[twyacht]

According to a few Aussie yachties that I know who work as crew, have more often than not stated that there is a large number of firearms, WWI WWII, family heirlooms, ,...etc,...

That never ended up in the "registry". They are buried, hidden, whatever mostly in rural areas.

Imagine that! A country that started as the "Queen's" penal colony still has law breakers. 



They are kept "off the grid" in case the Gov't wants to Bloomberg the Aussie beer.

[tombogan03884]

Canada has (had ? ) a "long gun registry".
It cost $2 Billion and was so messed up it was useless.
It also helped solve 0 crimes during it's entire existence .

[Timothy]

MA has had a registry for years!  I lost a few while I was in CT!  .   Drat!

[philw]

According to a few Aussie yachties that I know who work as crew, have more often than not stated that there is a large number of firearms, WWI WWII, family heirlooms, ,...etc,...

That never ended up in the "registry". They are buried, hidden, whatever mostly in rural areas.

apparently   according to a plumber mate of mine ( and a shooter ) 
for about 12 months  back in 96   6" PVC Stormwater pipe and end caps were near impossible for anyone to get for some strange reason.. .

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[sledgemeister]

Gun registration is a joke and as we have been finding out in some areas a real risk to ones security because of the suspected inappropriate access to this information falling into the wrong hands. Because we do not have the same self defence laws ie we can not be armed at home in case of home invasions or break ins criminals who get hold of this info are using it as a one stop shopping list for pistols and rifles. Imagine, you are awoken by some one breaking in to your home, in order to arm yourself you would need to open your firearm safe, then open a locked box or other safe containing ammunition and or magazines, and load them because our laws prevent loaded firearms and magazines being allowed in your home even if locked away. Scenario 2 you get  knock at the door, two armed blokes push through because your not carrying and hold a gun to your kids head and ask you to open your gun safe, what do you do of course you comply. Gun Registration IS BAD.
The system fails for lots of reasons but mostly because every Tom, Dick and Crim seems to be able to readily get info of peoples names, addresses and firearms held.
Personally I think the law can politely go F$%% itself, I would rather face jail than let my love ones be in danger, I challenge the crim to break into my place at 3am with bad intentions or any fool stupid enough to knock on my door late at night with bad intentions.

[twyacht]

Question sledge/philw,...

Since the scenarios you presented are so restrictive in regards to firearms in the home....

If you beat a home invader to death with another item,....baseball bat, cricket bat, golf club, (congrats to Adam Scott winning the Masters BTW),...or stab them repeatedly with a kitchen knife. Whatever...

Does the "law" still uphold the right to self defense in one's home if attacked?

Or are you subject to criminal/civil litagation for not giving the bad guy more flexibility and appeasement so he'll take what he wants and go away...


Just curious.

[tombogan03884]

Gun registration is a joke and as we have been finding out in some areas a real risk to ones security because of the suspected inappropriate access to this information falling into the wrong hands. Because we do not have the same self defence laws ie we can not be armed at home in case of home invasions or break ins criminals who get hold of this info are using it as a one stop shopping list for pistols and rifles. Imagine, you are awoken by some one breaking in to your home, in order to arm yourself you would need to open your firearm safe, then open a locked box or other safe containing ammunition and or magazines, and load them because our laws prevent loaded firearms and magazines being allowed in your home even if locked away. Scenario 2 you get  knock at the door, two armed blokes push through because your not carrying and hold a gun to your kids head and ask you to open your gun safe, what do you do of course you comply. Gun Registration IS BAD.
The system fails for lots of reasons but mostly because every Tom, Dick and Crim seems to be able to readily get info of peoples names, addresses and firearms held.
Personally I think the law can politely go F$%% itself, I would rather face jail than let my love ones be in danger, I challenge the crim to break into my place at 3am with bad intentions or any fool stupid enough to knock on my door late at night with bad intentions.

I keep trying to wake them up that this is what any new laws will lead to.
To many members of the "gun culture " are "reasonable".
Every time they're "reasonable" it costs us a little more of a right that "Shall not be infringed."

[Solus]

I keep trying to wake them up that this is what any new laws will lead to.
To many members of the "gun culture " are "reasonable".
Every time they're "reasonable" it costs us a little more of a right that "Shall not be infringed."

Any new laws?  That will limit our means of getting anything repealed.

[jnevis]

Canada has (had ? ) a "long gun registry".
It cost $2 Billion and was so messed up it was useless.
It also helped solve 0 crimes during it's entire existence .

MD's Ballistic Fingerprinting Law is just as messed up.  The Commisioner of the State Police told the legislature that it was a failure and cost to much so should be abolished.  For his efforts, they fired him.