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santahog

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Please forgive my rant, but...
« on: April 29, 2013, 01:31:20 PM »
Saturday at Attalla Gun and Pawn..
I stopped by to look at the toys and encountered a couple of "20-ish" guys drooling at the toys..
Both were quite exercised, to the point of "out-of-body experience" by the encounter, it seems..
One of the guys proclaimed at the top if his conversational lungs that that a Kel-Tec was the best gun ever made, and that Glock was a piece of garbage.. He also called SCCY a first rate weapon.. (I did make a quiet case for the merits of Glock. It almost scared him..)
The other guy was apparently Amish or something of that nature, and was just a little louder than the first, talking about a Remington 870 2+1, 12 gauge pump. he told me that it was more useful than I had suggested, as it had a front vertical grip. (Given the general conduct of the two, I didn't bother telling the guy that he could get 30+1 rounds of 5.56 or 7.62 in the same sized package, for much less money, (and without the Tax Stamp), as I didn't consider either of them appropriate candidates to possess a firearm small enough to conceal..
FOLKS, I'VE BUSTED MY ASS TO HELP BRING US TO THE POINT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY IN ALABAMA, THAT WAS ONCE TAKEN FOR GRANTED..
GUYS, (CHILDREN!!!) LIKE THIS ARE THE REASON THAT THE SHERIFF THINKS IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!
CHILDREN, GET A GRIP, OR PARENTS, GET A GRIP ON YOUR CHILDREN'S STUNTED MINDS,.. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
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And now, to the story..
http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2013/04/26/is-twenty-five-the-new-fifteen/


"Is Twenty-Five the new Fifteen"..



That’s the question asked in the 1st chapter of a book I am reading called Escaping the Endless Adolescence: How We Can Help Our Teenagers Grow Up Before They Grow Old. From the description:

    Do you sometimes wonder how your teen is ever going to survive on his or her own as an adult? Does your high school junior seem oblivious to the challenges that lie ahead? Does your academically successful nineteen-year-old still expect you to “just take care of” even the most basic life tasks?

    Welcome to the stunted world of the Endless Adolescence. Recent studies show that today’s teenagers are more anxious and stressed and less independent and motivated to grow up than ever before. Twenty-five is rapidly becoming the new fifteen for a generation suffering from a debilitating “failure to launch.” Now two preeminent clinical psychologists tell us why and chart a groundbreaking escape route for teens and parents.

    Drawing on their extensive research and practice, Joseph Allen and Claudia Worrell Allen show that most teen problems are not hardwired into teens’ brains and hormones but grow instead out of a “Nurture Paradox” in which our efforts to support our teens by shielding them from the growth-spurring rigors and rewards of the adult world have backfired badly. With compelling examples and practical and profound suggestions, the authors outline a novel approach for producing dramatic leaps forward in teen maturity, including:

    • Turn Consumers into Contributors Help teens experience adult maturity–its bumps and its joys–through the right kind of employment or volunteer activity.
    • Feed Them with Feedback Let teens see and hear how the larger world perceives them. Shielding them from criticism–constructive or otherwise–will only leave them unequipped to deal with it when they get to the “real world.”
    • Provide Adult Connections Even though they’ll deny it, teens desperately need to interact with adults (including parents) on a more mature level–and such interaction will help them blossom!
    • Stretch the Teen Envelope Do fewer things for teens that they can do for themselves, and give them tasks just beyond their current level of competence and comfort.

The authors point out that even young people who appear to be succeeding by conventional standards wake up in their mid-twenties clueless about how to find a job, manage money, cook, or live on their own. They are educated but unable to care for themselves. “Twenty-five is now becoming the new fifteen.”

According to the authors, teens are living in a “bubble” that is undermining their development. They have their room at home, school, the shopping mall etc. but it

    cuts them off from meaningful roles in the adult world, cuts them off from close day-to-day contact with adults, and it hyperexposes them to peer relationships, which become their primary socializing influences.

The last chapter of the book points out that the staples of the Adulthood Diet are Challenge and Feedback. Teens don’t get much of it in their lives. We have done away with competition (too masculine, I suppose) and real-world feedback (kids need high self-esteem!) and therefore they never learn to master the larger world.

The book instructs parents and adults in how to teach kids to grow up and be an adult in today’s modern world. That’s no small feat. But better late than never because twenty-five should never be the new fifteen.

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With friends like these, who needs hallucinations!..

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Re: Please forgive my rant, but...
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 02:30:30 PM »
"Is Twenty-Five the new Fifteen"..


Yup.

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Re: Please forgive my rant, but...
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 02:45:29 PM »
"Is Twenty-Five the new Fifteen"..


Yup.

I keep trying to look for broad based evidence that this is the exception rather than the rule.
I'm not finding it.. I'm afraid what we're finally starting to build will be undone in a drunken weekend by a bunch of drunk "20 somethings"..
It doesn't work on a populace that has to be "externally" restrained..
With friends like these, who needs hallucinations!..

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Re: Please forgive my rant, but...
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 03:27:38 PM »
"Is Twenty-Five the new Fifteen"..


Yup.

I keep trying to look for broad based evidence that this is the exception rather than the rule.
I'm not finding it.. I'm afraid what we're finally starting to build will be undone in a drunken weekend by a bunch of drunk "20 somethings"..
It doesn't work on a populace that has to be "externally" restrained..


Yep.

Been saying this for a while now.
"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

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Re: Please forgive my rant, but...
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2013, 04:42:32 PM »
Agreed, I picked up my first car on my 16th birthday with cash, license, and insurance paid. (Put my bike in the trunk). Had already been working since (real job for 3 years). Laundromats, Little Ceasers, Video Stores, and yes,...cutting lawns..... Whatever it took to be mobile.

If it paid, minimum wage back than was $3.15 an hour btw,.... :P, I took it. Stayed in school, and even when I was doing "stoopid sh**" as a teenager, kept at least 2 jobs, and my bills paid.

I've been on here long enough to know that so many of you at DRTV approached your youth with a sense of time to grow the **** up, start taking care of yourself, earn your keep, and pay your own way.

Now, 20 somethings are moving "back home",....cause they won't fathom changing tires, doing oil changes, being a waitress at waffle house, with a "college degree".....oh and tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt. (the next bubble to burst).

Sorry for ranting back, but it's true and damn sad.



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Re: Please forgive my rant, but...
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 05:00:45 PM »
It's kinda funny.  When I turned 18, the old Man asked me, 'When do you graduate high school?'  I told him June 5 or 7 or something close to that.  He told me I had til June 10 to have my shit packed and be gone.  I joined the Navy right away.

My boys (didn't have any girls, thank Gawd) had to work to pay their own bills.  I helped with college as I was able, but it was only help.  The bills were theirs.

I don't think the grandkids will be able to wipe their own butts without Mommy and Daddy telling 'em how.  They've been given everything they WANT, not NEED.  Hard times conin' for them, for sure.
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 05:10:28 PM »
I heard Dr. Phil say that someone doesn't learn to see the consequences for their actions till around 24 years of age.  

Well, I believe he is correct...but he misstates the time frame.

A person learns to see the consequences for their actions as soon as they are forced to pay them.

Kids are protected from everything now.  Not allowed to face any danger.....can't let them lose at kick ball, time out instead of a switch...

They are, first, kept away from needing to make decisions for which they will pay the consequences and, second, taken off the hook for them if at all possible.

Thirteen year olds drove wagons with families during our Western expansion and there is no way you will convince me they were not acutely aware they were responsible for what they did.

When out country was founded, the minimum age to become President was 35 years old (still is)....this happened to also be the average age at that time....you damn well became able to understand the consequences of your actions early if you wanted to have any hope of living to be eligible to become President.
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— Daniel Webster

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 06:40:49 PM »
At the age of 25 I was an officer in the Navy, married, and had a kid. Even "back then" for us Gen X'ers that wasn't exactly mainstream. I couldn't wait to be responsible adult and not have to rely on my parents.  I for one just can not understand the concept of wanting to extend the horribleness of adolescences. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2013, 06:49:38 PM »
At the age of 25 I was an officer in the Navy, married, and had a kid. Even "back then" for us Gen X'ers that wasn't exactly mainstream. I couldn't wait to be responsible adult and not have to rely on my parents.  I for one just can not understand the concept of wanting to extend the horribleness of adolescences. 

Thank You for your service brushmore, I think the extension of adolescence, over a very short period of time in history, has been modified from our time, through no help from our politicians, parents, and elections that cater to those that are growing dependant on where's my free sh**? To Where's my chance? The conundrum lies in that the shift has changed from what we did for ourselves back than, to what can be "given" to me to succeed.

Just a fellow Gen X'er that agrees with you.



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Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: Please forgive my rant, but...
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2013, 06:54:51 PM »
A person learns to see the consequences for their actions as soon as they are forced to pay them.

Ding Ding Ding WINNAH!! Pay the man!
Even two year olds will get the message if their parents teach them.

Like TW, my first car (and all the expenses) were paid for by ME riding a bike or hitchhiking to school and work.
The rich kids had better cars given to them and I was jealous....well isn't that tough $#!+.
Get a job, ANY JOB, get some money. Nobody was going to hand it to me. It beat walking...

I couldn't wait to be responsible adult and not have to rely on my parents.

Now some "parents" will show the kids how to get the .gov pay for everything.  ::)
(TW beat me to it by an eyelash ;) )
You can say lots of bad things about pedophiles; but at least they drive slowly past schools.

 

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