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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 02:44:46 PM »
From the article  

“The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,” spokesperson Tracey Peedin Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately.”

They should have a hard time proving it was knowingly and willingly...since he took immediate action to have it removed from school property and did this within hearing of officials, something he would not have done if he willingly bought the gun on school property.

He had noting to hide....so he thought.

He had no intent to break the law and the law is written so there must be intent or there is no offense.
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 03:52:36 PM »
Not that long ago we used to keep our hunting and sporting firearms in our school lockers.  Today you can't even talk about these activities on school grounds.  How much safer have our school grounds become over the last 65 years of removing all of these items, activities, and thoughts from our public school property?

I graduated in '94 and it was common for us to have our guns in our cars.  And the teachers knew it, too, because many of them also hunted and we'd talk about where we were going hunting before/after school in class with them.  No one ever got shot.  Hell, we were even allowed to keep dangerous things like saws, screw drivers, hammers, etc in shop class.  The horror!

Something drastic has changed in our country in the last 15 years.  Guns are not to blame because the one constant in the history of this country is gun ownership.   
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 04:15:49 PM »
I bet he keeps better track of his gun from now on.

Maybe.  When I got caught by TSA I shared it with Rob Pincus, Kelly's response was "only once", and shortly after Rob got caught for his sixth.  Two trips after my moment of glory I almost did it again, even after double checking the bag.

Situations like this are just like DQ's:  There are two groups of participants - those that have and those who are going to.
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2013, 01:25:32 AM »
“He didn’t know what to do,” Boykin, whose son is friends with Withrow, told Fox News. “If you jump in the truck and leave, then they get you for skipping school.

Scipping skool was never a big deal to me......what a pussy.

I bet any kid who finds him/herself in the same situation immediately leaves from now on. It has been proven to them that being honest is not good. Thank you, Zero Tolerance = Zero Intellect.
 If you stay, it could will be played that you "knowingly and willingly" have a gun at the school.
GTFO NOW.
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 09:17:27 AM »
one more thing that bugs me as a egale scout, being a eagle scout does not make one a good person.  just like being a college grad does not make you smart.

This is the single dumbest comment I have heard on this forum. Nonsense!
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2013, 09:28:28 AM »
The problem here is not that the kid made a mistake.  Amazingly enough kids do that! The problem here is how pathetically irresponsible the adults are in positions of relatively minor authority.  "I don't have any choice but to destroy this kids life". Bullshit. grow a pair and use some Judgement! The admin in the office could have helped him make a better choice by telling him to go home and then come back. The principal could have told the mom to deal with it. The cop could have told the school to quit peeing down their leg and taken the kid off campus, returned him home and screwed up the paperwork so that the case was untryable.

These adults are idiots not the kid.

I had a number of run ins with the cops as a kid even though I was not a criminals They scared the crap out of me and turned me over to my parents . This kid is not a danger to society and it used to be that those were the guys the cops focused on.

We have become a nation of sissies.
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2013, 10:11:53 AM »
It was mentioned in another story on Fox News that recently two different administrators or employees of the district had brought guns to schools.  In those cases the subjects received three day suspensions, but no felony charges.  From what is known here publicly I see no criminal intent.  I do not see where this young man knowingly and willingly brought a firearm to school. This kid should not have his life scarred with a criminal record, as this is nothing more than a mistake, not a criminal action.

It was also mentioned that Jerry Farwell Jr. happened to be passing through this town when this was in the local news.  There was a picture of the kid with a gal that was wearing a Liberty University tee shirt.  Farwell gave the kid a full scholarship to the kid to Liberty University.

Being an Eagle Scout does not make you a bad person, although there are those that would hold it against you, and that may be part of the persecution here.   
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2013, 11:08:05 AM »
one more thing that bugs me as a egale scout, being a eagle scout does not make one a good person.  just like being a college grad does not make you smart.

Maybe you missed this part in the story, “The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,” spokesperson Tracey Peedin Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately.”

It appears that he DIDN'T KNOW the shot the shotgun was in the vehicle.  If he didn't know it was there he couldn't WILLINGLY bring the shotgun to school.

When educational institutions put No Tolerance Policies in place it allows school management to check their common sense at the door when they come to work.

As screwed up politically as Minnesota is right now, you are not in violation of the law when the gun you have in your vehicle while on school property is transported in compliance within MN gun laws.  As of right now.
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2013, 12:13:06 PM »
Watchman has a clear grasp of the situation:

He did not do it intentionally, and as soon as he realized his error he tried to correct it the best way he knew.
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Re: NC Eagle Scout facing felony charge
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2013, 02:29:43 PM »
so the question remains, how do you lose a gun?      i have never understood how people can lose very important/ expensive things.   
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

 

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