Obama To Sign The UN Arms Trade Treaty June 3.

[fightingquaker13]

This thing will never be ratified, and it has zero to do with the 2A. We are the world's leading arms supplier. Its both big business AND a major tool of diplomacy (support us and get a free trip to the candy store). Signing it gives us feel good points abroad for free, ratifying it costs us serious money. Which do you think will prevail in DC?

[TAB]

Dc has to get thier cut...

[tombogan03884]

This thing will never be ratified, and it has zero to do with the 2A. We are the world's leading arms supplier. Its both big business AND a major tool of diplomacy (support us and get a free trip to the candy store). Signing it gives us feel good points abroad for free, ratifying it costs us serious money. Which do you think will prevail in DC?

FQ has fallen into a sense of complacency on this due to a long held liberal distortion of fact .
During the Cold war accusations of the  Soviet's supply arms to various "bad guys" (PLO, IRA, etc ) were answered with the pseudo fact that the US exported far more $ worth of arms .
This was true, the difference was that the US supplied established Govt's with high priced technology, aircraft, ships, etc, while the Soviet's supplied AK's RPG's, and ammo to pretty much any body who asked for them .
So if you base it on overall cash value what FQ says is true, but if you look at actual volume of material the US was not even close .

[MikeBjerum]

FQ,

When you read this and see what it has to do with tracking of imports and exports of both arms and ammunition, how can you say that it is not a Second Amendment issue?

Our two are both so Democrat that Pres. BHO actually worships them.  I count on the rest of you to protect this nation from the United Nations.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ,

When you read this and see what it has to do with tracking of imports and exports of both arms and ammunition, how can you say that it is not a Second Amendment issue?

Our two are both so Democrat that Pres. BHO actually worships them.  I count on the rest of you to protect this nation from the United Nations.

What I meant was that it won't be a debate about the 2A. It will be about the military industrial complex and their lobbyists (our new best friends in this case) telling the Senate that they can't ratify this treaty as it will cost the economy billions. It will fail not over principle, but over money. And you know what? I'm ok with that. I don't care why it fails, as long as it fails.

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[MikeBjerum]

What I meant was that it won't be a debate about the 2A. It will be about the military industrial complex and their lobbyists (our new best friends in this case) telling the Senate that they can't ratify this treaty as it will cost the economy billions. It will fail not over principle, but over money. And you know what? I'm ok with that. I don't care why it fails, as long as it fails.

While I won't argue the premise of your argument, it is sad that our Nation's standard has moved from what is right and wrong to money.

[fightingquaker13]

While I won't argue the premise of your argument, it is sad that our Nation's standard has moved from what is right and wrong to money.

Right there with you, but we live in the real world.

[Jrlobo]

The two Republican Senators from the People's Republic of Maryland will vote no. Let's see if anyone is paying attention here!

[MikeBjerum]

According to Bloomberg the United States (Pres. BHO) will not be signing today:

U.S. Fails to Join Allies in Signing UN Weapons Treaty
By Flavia Krause-Jackson - Jun 2, 2013 11:00 PM CT

 

The U.S. won’t join the U.K., France and other major Western allies at the United Nations today to sign the first international treaty regulating the $85 billion a year global arms trade.

The absence of the world’s top arms dealer at the 10:30 a.m. ceremony in New York drawing some 60 nations casts a shadow over a decades-long push to stop illegal cross-border shipments of conventional weapons. By contrast, some of the world’s most violent nations, from drug-plagued Mexico to the war-torn Democratic Republic of Congo, will be among the signatories.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-03/u-s-fails-to-join-allies-in-signing-un-weapons-treaty.html

[tombogan03884]

"the $85 billion a year global arms trade."

Pretty much says it all right there .

Now I have gotten the exact facts .
The Treaty was opened for signatures today, (saw this on GMA this AM )
Apparently some other national leaders signed today .
Whether BO will do so at any point remains to be seen.
I doubt it though since he used a lot of his political juice to try to get "Background checks" and was basically told to pound sand.
He can sign if he wants, but the current Congress will reject it.
With the various scandals he is fending off he lacks the political capital to get his way while more and more Dems try to distance themselves from an election killing association with him.